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All conventional and unconventional methods and tactics of regaining some fertility on TRT put into this thread

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I'm prescribed 100mg CC weekly to replace my hCG so I'm increasing my dosing. Turns out I have a decent supply of CC stashed so increasing to 50mg x3 weekly.
 

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One week in and my testicles are much more sensitive to touch. I guess they're kinda tender and no real changes in size yet but they never atrophied like most guys do. I have one bottle of hCG left and will add it at 200iu daily for the next 25 days.

The guy in the study used 25mg CC (recommended starting dose in study) , so I'm questioning if using half that dose will be effective. My HPTA has been shutdown/broken for close to 15 years due to trauma so this may not work for me but based off that study and Emeric's experience combining CC with low dose daily Testosterone may be the best protocol for most.

It sounds like the Clomifene citrate can be extremely effective and maybe can even help intratesticular testosterone on TRT similar to HCG but instead with your natural LH and FSH instead of HCG synthetic LH pathway. I didn't even know that it was a part of Emeric's protocol until you just mentioned it so that makes it extremely interesting to say the least. Personally if I could choose clomid versus HCG..I would choose clomid over that to try and stimulate my natural LH and FSH while on low dose TRT and even regain a bit of potential fertility as well as to maintain the testicular size.
 

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The way I wrote that is misleading since it's missing a comma. I meant his low dose, daily injections instead of a single 200mg dose. I don't think he's used CC and he says he doesn't use hCG.

There very likely is something to this. My libido is still extremely high although I dropped my dosage way down.
 

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The way I wrote that is misleading since it's missing a comma. I meant his low dose, daily injections instead of a single 200mg dose. I don't think he's used CC and he says he doesn't use hCG.

There very likely is something to this. My libido is still extremely high although I dropped my dosage way down.

That's awesome. I do notice that as well with clomid (something Nolvadex never really did for me noticeably) was that it keeps the drive high and everything functioning good. I don't know if you notice with clomid that there is more aggression in mood in and out of the gym and more of a general irritability feeling? And also..there is a bit of a crash where there is a stronger desire to nap throughout the day? Anyhow..It's nice to know as well that clomid is stimulating the natural LH and FSH and testosterone for your own body to produce..even though of course HCG is much more aggressive and stronger..but that's synthetic LH pathway if I'm not mistaken..it's like a pct on steroids lol.
 

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I asked Emeric about Clomid and he recommends Tribestan instead. He says it has a similar action in the body. That sounds kinda hopeful but it is a nice addition to TRT. I have some of that on hand too.

hCG mimics LH and stimulates the receptors much stronger than LH. It also has a greatly extended active life in the body (days vs hrs). It will also stimulate the FSH receptors but to a lesser extent. The hCG I have left is premixed from and I never responded well to it so I'm not expected much. I'm still having odd feelings down there so maybe they are kicking in a little.
 

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I finished two weeks and my testicles keep getting more sensitive to touch. I feel like my serum testosterone is probably low but am really wondering if my LH/FSH levels are rising. I just ordered blood work and should end up testing at nearly 3 weeks.

My libido is strong but the climax feelings are weak. I have normal sensitivity and much larger emissions. Kinda perplexed and wonder if it's the Clomid messing with something since I increased the dosing. I'll get blood work before adjusting the dose.
 

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I also increased DHEA from 100mg to 200mg daily since I know that dose doubles my DHT levels. Since I cut my testosterone dose by half I figured it would provide the materials to increase conversion.
 

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When I first went back on testosterone in my early 30's I started w 3mg test suspension daily. Worked up to 10mg daily. Balls were nice and full. Could skip a couple weeks and feel fine. That's obviously very subjective but after a year or two.. I switched to the same dose of cyp/enan and my nuts disappeared. And hairline shedding also became an issue.

I absolutely think there is something to a pulsatile approach w suspension but I've yet to go back to suspension only as any slight hormonal fluctuation sends my hair flying off my head to my back so I haven't made the change bc I would look stupid bald. I always felt better on daily suspension as well.

My plan tho for winter is 5-10mg daily no esther test plus 10mg daily clomid as sort of a clean out/break. At 37, I don't want to go off completely and I'm done having children
 

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I lowered the DHEA down to 50mg daily for blood work. The high dose was causing bloating and super oily skin so probably went the estrogen pathway this time instead of DHT like before. My body is constantly changing its response to therapy and it's getting frustrating.
 

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And now my vision is blurry (Clomid side effect) so likely dropping back down to 12.5mg daily. This is so frustrating. I'm still feeling like low T is a thing but since I'm on Cialis it's harder to tell. Plus my free T is always super high, even when my serum levels were 100.
 

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Well, Clomid didn't work for me. It also made me an emotional bitch and unstable asshole. I was on it for 5 weeks when blood work was taken. That said I've been on TRT forever and have mTBI issues also.

Serum Test, 471ng/dL
Free Test, 21.5pg/mL (nice)
E2, 30.9
LH, none
FSH, none
HA1c, 5.2 (normal for me)

So 10mg daily with 25mg Clomid daily didn't do much for me. Under about 600ng/dL serum testosterone I feel crappy. IGF is low but lipids look way better. HDL (45) is way higher than I can ever remember. Thyroid is screaming along but fasted glucose is really high at 125. No other hints of insulin resistance but I fast a lot and it drives my glucose up. My glucose is high unless my serum testosterone is around 600ng/dL. Glucose might be due to extreme binge drinking, like a case daily, literally. I've accepted I'm a full blown alcoholic. I do take 400mg Humanofort but really get pain relief mostly. SHBG dropped about 10 points, so on the lower end again. Overall all my numbers are better except serum Test. Apparently no matter how I dose my TRT I get a linear serum level based on dosing. I also need more than most people but I metabolize all drugs extremely fast. 10mg daily made life OKish.

I wonder if I'd done 5mg per day and had a different result. Emeric uses 5mg daily for TRT and has serum levels in the 600s. Biggest lesson is alcohol wrecks my liver enzymes (higher, not terrible).
 

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Well, Clomid didn't work for me. It also made me an emotional bitch and unstable asshole. I was on it for 5 weeks when blood work was taken. That said I've been on TRT forever and have mTBI issues also.

Serum Test, 471ng/dL
Free Test, 21.5pg/mL (nice)
E2, 30.9
LH, none
FSH, none
HA1c, 5.2 (normal for me)

So 10mg daily with 25mg Clomid daily didn't do much for me. Under about 600ng/dL serum testosterone I feel crappy. IGF is low but lipids look way better. HDL (45) is way higher than I can ever remember. Thyroid is screaming along but fasted glucose is really high at 125. No other hints of insulin resistance but I fast a lot and it drives my glucose up. My glucose is high unless my serum testosterone is around 600ng/dL. Glucose might be due to extreme binge drinking, like a case daily, literally. I've accepted I'm a full blown alcoholic. I do take 400mg Humanofort but really get pain relief mostly. SHBG dropped about 10 points, so on the lower end again. Overall all my numbers are better except serum Test. Apparently no matter how I dose my TRT I get a linear serum level based on dosing. I also need more than most people but I metabolize all drugs extremely fast. 10mg daily made life OKish.

I wonder if I'd done 5mg per day and had a different result. Emeric uses 5mg daily for TRT and has serum levels in the 600s. Biggest lesson is alcohol wrecks my liver enzymes (higher, not terrible).

Hey brother. First of all mad props to you for doing this experiment and following through with bloodwork AND for posting that for all of us to see and to learn the truth by your experiences. Wow..sounds like judging from that bloodwork the clomid isn't really helping but it seemed to have been helping so tremendously especially with the fact that you mentioned earlier (if I'm not mistaken) that its helping you to put more size and fullness back in the sack. Maybe that was just because you lowered your test that your body naturally did that.
I wonder if the clomid actually increased your sperm as it seemed to increase semen load (which maybe somewhat contributes to more sperm?). I know a lot of guys on other TRT forums swear that its giving them bigger loads and balls just by running clomid with the test..even tho LH and FSH is ZERO.
Better just stick with full blown HCG and HMG and do what is proven to work and run your full strong cruises doses so you feel as good and healthy as possible.
I'll tell you this though..in all seriousness man..I feel you on the clomid causing horrible mood swings, anger, anxiety and just all over the f*cking place lol. I actually want to try again last night and did like 15mg..today..im all over the place. Damn that crap..throwing it in the tosser lol.
By the way..if I could give my honest opinion to you in regards to lowering the test and staying on the clomid..I don't think its worth it to run a dose that low because of the fact that you metabolize it so fast anyways. What worked for the other guy probably won't worth because of your high metabolism issues. If HCG and HMG works for guys on full blown cycles..it'll make you fertile again with your TRT normal type dose.
It's not worth to starve your body and muscles of testosterone..especially with that incredibly hard work you put into building your physique and strength..only to watch it shrink away because of the lower test doses and the clomid..
 

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The Clomid effect on ejaculate was cool but not worth it. I'm getting some Proviron since it's legal here too. My strength fell off quick on 10mg daily. I need at least 15mg from multiple blood work results.
 

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The Clomid effect on ejaculate was cool but not worth it. I'm getting some Proviron since it's legal here too. My strength fell off quick on 10mg daily. I need at least 15mg from multiple blood work results.

You'll love that proviron. Its night and day difference for TRT. Makes you FEEL that test very strong and also increases load volume very similar to clomid but with ZERO sides. Yeah..that clomid is terrible for the sanity lol. Heck..even look at Clomid medicine reviews by patients who report severe side effects. Its also supposed to be very very hard on liver according to some people...nigthmares..bloating..fatigue..insomnia..heart palpitations..etc etc..
 

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why not try Enclomiphene instead ?
I was prescribed the Clomid so I used what I received. Been off for three days and my brain feels way clearer and less "psycho". I've been seriously unstable mentally feeling on it. 25mg EOD felt way better than 25mg daily.
 

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Hey brother. First of all mad props to you for doing this experiment and following through with bloodwork AND for posting that for all of us to see and to learn the truth by your experiences. Wow..sounds like judging from that bloodwork the clomid isn't really helping but it seemed to have been helping so tremendously especially with the fact that you mentioned earlier (if I'm not mistaken) that its helping you to put more size and fullness back in the sack. Maybe that was just because you lowered your test that your body naturally did that.
I wonder if the clomid actually increased your sperm as it seemed to increase semen load (which maybe somewhat contributes to more sperm?). I know a lot of guys on other TRT forums swear that its giving them bigger loads and balls just by running clomid with the test..even tho LH and FSH is ZERO.
Better just stick with full blown HCG and HMG and do what is proven to work and run your full strong cruises doses so you feel as good and healthy as possible.
I'll tell you this though..in all seriousness man..I feel you on the clomid causing horrible mood swings, anger, anxiety and just all over the f*cking place lol. I actually want to try again last night and did like 15mg..today..im all over the place. Damn that crap..throwing it in the tosser lol.
By the way..if I could give my honest opinion to you in regards to lowering the test and staying on the clomid..I don't think its worth it to run a dose that low because of the fact that you metabolize it so fast anyways. What worked for the other guy probably won't worth because of your high metabolism issues. If HCG and HMG works for guys on full blown cycles..it'll make you fertile again with your TRT normal type dose.
It's not worth to starve your body and muscles of testosterone..especially with that incredibly hard work you put into building your physique and strength..only to watch it shrink away because of the lower test doses and the clomid..

I think you're right on the metabolizing Test so fast since my thyroid hormones are really high. I tried 10mg test daily about a year ago and had almost the exact same numbers as this time. I was on hCG then but had slightly lower serum levels so the Clomid might have helped a little. My free testosterone levels were similar to higher TRT doses but my strength fell way off.
 

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So I'm going to keep using the Clomid at 25 x3 weekly (don't have Proviron yet) and increase my TRT to 70mg x3 weekly too. Hopefully, the lower Clomid dose will still provide the benefits I had before and I'm prescribed 200mg TRT weekly so it's piling up honestly. I can get by with 20mg daily but 30mg sounds like more fun.

I do this for 30ish days and report back. I can't get blood work so it will all be anecdotal experience but the emission increase is still hanging on.
 

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So I'm going to keep using the Clomid at 25 x3 weekly (don't have Proviron yet) and increase my TRT to 70mg x3 weekly too. Hopefully, the lower Clomid dose will still provide the benefits I had before and I'm prescribed 200mg TRT weekly so it's piling up honestly. I can get by with 20mg daily but 30mg sounds like more fun.

I do this for 30ish days and report back. I can't get blood work so it will all be anecdotal experience but the emission increase is still hanging on.

That sounds like a great plan! Do you think that the higher test dose with offset the clomid sides because that test is going to make you feel too good (especially at that nice dosage you mentioned) for the clomid to have any negative emotional sides of irritability, etc?
I know this..even tho your LH and FSH is still going to be of course at zero..the clomid would add more volume to the testicles, load..the whole 9..the big question is..can it still have an effect on increasing fertility (at least to a degree)?
If I'm not mistaken here..this is what your goal is and what you are trying to accomplish right? Increase fertility with clomid but still being on a respectable amount of test (especially the fact that you metabolize it so fast)...
 

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