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I've been training for 23 years. Over that time I've tried numerous routines, diets, supplements and super-supplements. One thing that I can never match when clean is the thickness across my shoulder girdle.
From my upper pecks to my delts, traps, and neck, I've never been able to match the fullness and shape when on AAS. I initially thought it was just water retention, but this time I am using a very strong AI and have almost no water retention. In 7 weeks I have gained 17lbs. and my waist has actually gotten leaner, my "love handles" down by about 50%.
Even without the water, on a full pump the skin on my delts turns purple from internal tension. My neck and traps are much thicker, and my upper chest seems to have crept up my collarbone. I have always been on the low-normal side of natural T so adding exogenous T might be more effective with me.
I am speculating that high levels of androgens not only eat up estrogenic fat, but it also seems to grow muscle that won't respond otherwise. Considering that relative upper body strength is one of the discriminating factors in male / female strength comparisons might there be something to high androgens and targeted muscle growth (as well as the known fat loss)?
From my upper pecks to my delts, traps, and neck, I've never been able to match the fullness and shape when on AAS. I initially thought it was just water retention, but this time I am using a very strong AI and have almost no water retention. In 7 weeks I have gained 17lbs. and my waist has actually gotten leaner, my "love handles" down by about 50%.
Even without the water, on a full pump the skin on my delts turns purple from internal tension. My neck and traps are much thicker, and my upper chest seems to have crept up my collarbone. I have always been on the low-normal side of natural T so adding exogenous T might be more effective with me.
I am speculating that high levels of androgens not only eat up estrogenic fat, but it also seems to grow muscle that won't respond otherwise. Considering that relative upper body strength is one of the discriminating factors in male / female strength comparisons might there be something to high androgens and targeted muscle growth (as well as the known fat loss)?