Another reason to think about taking Statins like Crestor

[maldorf]

Just discovered this article today. Research was done that scientifically demonstrated that taking a statin like Crestor lowers your chances of getting a blood clot. In this study, people with low cholesterol were given either a placebo or the statin. I myself would have fit into this study, as I had low LDL and low HDL. Perhaps my blood clot my have been prevented by taking this medication. Some out there that use AAS have high cholesterol and dont take statins. The risk of having high cholesterol combined with this new benefit of avoiding blood clots should be more than enough reason to think about going on a statin. Crestor is the strongest out there. My doctors refer to it as a "gorilla statin".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29944353/

I have not had a single side effect from taking crestor.

 

[übermensch1]

Statins Should be Outlawed!!

I'm sorry but the reports and studies are waaaay too numerous to print or type but you really need to re-consider taking statins and finding a diff doc that might have a better idea for you other than lining his pockets because he prescribed something to you that not only lowers your LDL but HDL, but the pharm companies are giving him a bonus, kickback, whatever for pushing this SH*t, and then your really you-know-what. I know you had a heart attack and you're probably scared and willing to listen to anyone who has a med degree and appears to have your best interest (not his wallet and time) in mind. I understand that and can identify. Good luck and keep studying and you will find I am right.

 

[maldorf]

I'm sorry but the reports and studies are waaaay too numerous to print or type but you really need to re-consider taking statins and finding a diff doc that might have a better idea for you other than lining his pockets because he prescribed something to you that not only lowers your LDL but HDL, but the pharm companies are giving him a bonus, kickback, whatever for pushing this SH*t, and then your really you-know-what. I know you had a heart attack and you're probably scared and willing to listen to anyone who has a med degree and appears to have your best interest (not his wallet and time) in mind. I understand that and can identify. Good luck and keep studying and you will find I am right.

All of the studies I have seen showed no real change at all in the HDL levels while taking statins, and Crestor actually raised it enough to be measureable. i dont know where you get your facts from. This is in numberous studies. I guess every single doctor I have seen then is part of a conspiracy, and just out to make money. The best cardiologist in this area I have seen and they all routinely prescribe statins for cardica patients. I guess the whole medical field is mistaken. Studies like these that show the positive benefits of statins, what are they then? Are they all falsified and manipulated to show what they want you to think? Oh and by the way my HDL has gone up since I started taking Crestor.

 

[maldorf]

I'm sorry but the reports and studies are waaaay too numerous to print or type but you really need to re-consider taking statins and finding a diff doc that might have a better idea for you other than lining his pockets because he prescribed something to you that not only lowers your LDL but HDL, but the pharm companies are giving him a bonus, kickback, whatever for pushing this SH*t, and then your really you-know-what. I know you had a heart attack and you're probably scared and willing to listen to anyone who has a med degree and appears to have your best interest (not his wallet and time) in mind. I understand that and can identify. Good luck and keep studying and you will find I am right.

Just took me 1 minute to find this research that was run in Ohio in 07. This shows that statins do increase HDL by over 7.5% , not decrease it like you claim. Ive got no idea where you pull this idea from that statins decrease HDL!!

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/551768

 

[lacabra]

Co-Q10

I think DC posted on this a few years ago, saying how important it is if you take statins.

I've got a few relatives on Lipitor and none of the doctors recommended this supplement for them.

Did any of yours mention it Maldorf?

 

[Magnum]

The reason that all Dr's prescribe cholesterol meds is because they have to. Of course I am sure that a family or general practitioner prescribes them most since they are the ones who see most of the average people who supposedly need them. IMO cholesterol and anti depressant meds are two of the most deadly and useless drugs out there. Dr's don't invent these drugs, the drug companies do and the Dr's are simply following orders to prescribe what they are told is the newest and most profitable drug of the week.

 

[muscle96ss]

Magnum and ubermensh are correct; statins are very very deadly and do more harm than good. They basically poison your mitochondria!! Please do some research and learn more about them before even remotely considering them. Instead of taking a medication to resolve your symptoms, I would recommend looking at the cause of the problem of why your cholesterol is off in the first place. Then treat it by resolving the cause instead of masking it with a dangerous medication. One last thing that really that EVERYBODY needs to understand. Just because a medical doctor says something does not mean it is gospel. I am so sick of hearing how just because doctors say something it has to be correct. Most doctors have no clue how the body actually functions as a whole and when it comes to medications they are simply puppets for the pharmaceutical reps. If you guys really understood how bad our medical system is and how uneducated/misinformed most doctors really are you would be amazed. I hope I didn't open up a can of worms here or offend anyone, but I am speaking the truth.

 

[Magnum]

Magnum and ubermensh are correct; statins are very very deadly and do more harm than good. They basically poison your mitochondria!! Please do some research and learn more about them before even remotely considering them. Instead of taking a medication to resolve your symptoms, I would recommend looking at the cause of the problem of why your cholesterol is off in the first place. Then treat it by resolving the cause instead of masking it with a dangerous medication. One last thing that really that EVERYBODY needs to understand. Just because a medical doctor says something does not mean it is gospel. I am so sick of hearing how just because doctors say something it has to be correct. Most doctors have no clue how the body actually functions as a whole and when it comes to medications they are simply puppets for the pharmaceutical reps. If you guys really understood how bad our medical system is and how uneducated/misinformed most doctors really are you would be amazed. I hope I didn't open up a can of worms here or offend anyone, but I am speaking the truth.

Excellent post! It sickens me that there are so many people walking around feeling terrible and they have no idea as to why.

 

[thebrick]

I did see that study maldorf. I found it very interesting.

I am a little amused why people are so down on statins. The fact is they do work and yes they make a lot of money for drug companies. You could make the same complaint about Viagra, blood pressure meds, etc. Do they have potential sides? Yes they do. All drugs do, including the performance drugs we happily subscribe to here. The fact of the matter is they are beneficial for many, many people. But when the average person is 20 pounds fatter than people were 20 years ago with the lipid profiles to match, someone is going to take that to the bank. Is that the fault of the pharmaceutical company or the people lined up at the Taco Bell drive-thru?

 

[Magnum]

Found this funny, but sadly it's true. Death is one "side effect" that I can do without. I'd rather be depressed.


**broken link removed**

 

[para]

Just discovered this article today. Research was done that scientifically demonstrated that taking a statin like Crestor lowers your chances of getting a blood clot. In this study, people with low cholesterol were given either a placebo or the statin. I myself would have fit into this study, as I had low LDL and low HDL. Perhaps my blood clot my have been prevented by taking this medication. Some out there that use AAS have high cholesterol and dont take statins. The risk of having high cholesterol combined with this new benefit of avoiding blood clots should be more than enough reason to think about going on a statin. Crestor is the strongest out there. My doctors refer to it as a "gorilla statin".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29944353/

I have not had a single side effect from taking crestor.

Good info thanks.

What were your cholesterol numbers?

From the article:

"In the study, Crestor cut in half the risk of blood clots in people with low cholesterol but high scores on a test for inflammation, which plays a role in many diseases"

Do you know what inflammation is?

 

[muscle96ss]

Good info thank.

What were you cholesterol numbers?

From the article:

"In the study, Crestor cut in half the risk of blood clots in people with low cholesterol but high scores on a test for inflammation, which plays a role in many diseases"

Do you know what inflammation is?

For inflammation they are probably talking about c-reactive protein.

 

[maldorf]

I think DC posted on this a few years ago, saying how important it is if you take statins.

I've got a few relatives on Lipitor and none of the doctors recommended this supplement for them.

Did any of yours mention it Maldorf?

No they did not, which does surprise me. I have read the studies and actually a very knowledgable nurse in the hospital recomended this along with niacin therapy. It is a well known fact that the statins lower your CO Q10 levels. It must not really cause any dangerous conditions though, since hardly anyone has any troubles. I am not one though to ignore the situation, and take plenty of CO Q10 each day. Man that is expensive stuff!
I once read an article that said that one of the statin companies was going to market a tablet that had CO Q10 in it, but for some reason the idea was dropped.

 

[maldorf]

For inflammation they are probably talking about c-reactive protein.

Yeah, that was it. I am not sure what mine was before I had the clot, as it is not something they test routinely. I do know that it was quite high after my heart attack, for obvious reasons.

 

[maldorf]

I did see that study maldorf. I found it very interesting.

I am a little amused why people are so down on statins. The fact is they do work and yes they make a lot of money for drug companies. You could make the same complaint about Viagra, blood pressure meds, etc. Do they have potential sides? Yes they do. All drugs do, including the performance drugs we happily subscribe to here. The fact of the matter is they are beneficial for many, many people. But when the average person is 20 pounds fatter than people were 20 years ago with the lipid profiles to match, someone is going to take that to the bank. Is that the fault of the pharmaceutical company or the people lined up at the Taco Bell drive-thru?

Thank you, someone that makes sense! Many people on here are willing to put all kinds of AAS into their bodies most of which arent even made in an accredited lab. Underground junk. Yet you frown on taking a pharm grade drug produced under the best conditions. We use AAS in doses and combinations never intended by the drug maker and frown on using statins in an approved manner. It is a proven fact that by taking AAS you are going to raise your LDL and lower your HDL, at least for most of us. Statins do work, and will continue to make people with blood lipid problems more healthy.

 

[maldorf]

Good info thanks.

What were your cholesterol numbers?

From the article:

"In the study, Crestor cut in half the risk of blood clots in people with low cholesterol but high scores on a test for inflammation, which plays a role in many diseases"

Do you know what inflammation is?

After my heart attack the measurement was:

LDL: 69
HDL 18

This was without taking any statins, I was on nothing but AAS. Guess my diet was good enough to keep my LDL low, but my HDL was terrible.

 

[maldorf]

Excellent post! It sickens me that there are so many people walking around feeling terrible and they have no idea as to why.

I know 5 people personally and none of them suffer any side effects whatsoever from taking statins. I know of nobody that has had any problems. It is like any drug though, some will have problems but it is a very small percentage.

 

[maldorf]

Magnum and ubermensh are correct; statins are very very deadly and do more harm than good. They basically poison your mitochondria!! Please do some research and learn more about them before even remotely considering them. Instead of taking a medication to resolve your symptoms, I would recommend looking at the cause of the problem of why your cholesterol is off in the first place. Then treat it by resolving the cause instead of masking it with a dangerous medication. One last thing that really that EVERYBODY needs to understand. Just because a medical doctor says something does not mean it is gospel. I am so sick of hearing how just because doctors say something it has to be correct. Most doctors have no clue how the body actually functions as a whole and when it comes to medications they are simply puppets for the pharmaceutical reps. If you guys really understood how bad our medical system is and how uneducated/misinformed most doctors really are you would be amazed. I hope I didn't open up a can of worms here or offend anyone, but I am speaking the truth.

I guess you know it all. I guess you should be in the business of practicing medicine. Please show us scientific evidence done by a respected source such as a university that shows statins "poison the mitochondria" or are harmful in any way on a large scale. I would really like to see how you base your statement on here. If youre going to come on here and advise people on what drugs they should take you at least have to be able to back up your statements.

 

[Charger27]

I've been on 10mg (lowest does) of Lipitor for 7 years now an after a few months of being on it, my cardiac risk profile went from high to low. My HDL, went from the very low end to being a bit above the high reference range. My LDL dropped big time. Statins do work period. My liver values are normal and I have not experienced any side effects.

 

[muscle96ss]

I guess you know it all. I guess you should be in the business of practicing medicine. Please show us scientific evidence done by a respected source such as a university that shows statins "poison the mitochondria" or are harmful in any way on a large scale. I would really like to see how you base your statement on here. If youre going to come on here and advise people on what drugs they should take you at least have to be able to back up your statements.

Check out the "Textbook of Bio-identical Hormones" by Edward Lichten M.D.; he has a whole chapter that explains things in a easy to understand manner and has tons of references to support his conclusions.

While I am not in a field where I can directly practice medicine as you are suggesting, I am a licensed medical professional and take pride in the fact that I have changed many many lifes by getting my patients to a knowledgeable physician who can provide them with CORRECT and PROPER medical care(which is quite hard to find these days). There is actually someone on this board who can back that up and they can chime in if they desire to be known. My goal is not to toot my own horn or to try to sound like a know it all. Instead, my goal is to try to try to get you to dig deeper and do more research before you make conclusions as I think you could benefit greatly. Maldorf, you are a respected member of this board who appears to be intelligent and has been through a lot recently. If you start researching things from an anti-aging perspective or functional medicine perspective you will see a whole new world open up that you didn't realize existed.

As you know there was a time when if you said the world is not flat but is round you would be looked at as an outcast and it would be a very difficult battle to convince people otherwise. I could spend time finding all kinds of resources and references that are rock solid and prove the serious dangers of statins but you will get much more out of it if you start with the reference I listed and do the research on your own with that books guidance.

I am probably rambling as it has been a long day and I am trying hard to finish this before I fall asleep. Therefore I will end it with one request; keep an open mind!! Don't forget that our healthcare system is a political system and a business. When you combine those 2 it is hard to focus on the primary goal which is healthcare. As a result there is a ton of misinformation and the system just plain doesn't work. One last analogy, I think most people on this board can relate to the amount of misinformation and lack of knowledge in the medical professions about AAS. I think most people who are on this board who have been doing this for a while know more about AAS than most physicians, even endocrinologists whose primary focus is hormones.