Beta carotene, Oral steroids, and your liver

[natabolic]

I recently talked to a couple doctors about how oral steroids REALLY affect your liver values. Of course, most of us know that it is a little exaggerated, but you would be surprised what the doctors told me. They referred back to a couple studies done a while ago, where 50 people were put on a 10-12 week oral steroid cycle consisting of 20-50 mg of dianabol, and another 50 were put on 100-200 mg of anadrol for the same length of time. Before the test, all subjects liver values were between 30 and 50. After the 12 weeks, the values had only gone up by 10-30. A lot of doctors would still consider this in the safe range. The doctors I talked to said the values may have been kept at the original levels if the subjects were taking in 200-400 mg of milk thistle a day, along with up to 100 000 I.U.'s of beta-carotene/day. I did not know that beta carotene had been used to treat liver problems til the other day. I had always used it to combat acne. I'm now planning on using it during my next cycle. You learn something new every day!

 

[PHIL HERNON]

YES BUT........

I recently talked to a couple doctors about how oral steroids REALLY affect your liver values. Of course, most of us know that it is a little exaggerated, but you would be surprised what the doctors told me. They referred back to a couple studies done a while ago, where 50 people were put on a 10-12 week oral steroid cycle consisting of 20-50 mg of dianabol, and another 50 were put on 100-200 mg of anadrol for the same length of time. Before the test, all subjects liver values were between 30 and 50. After the 12 weeks, the values had only gone up by 10-30. A lot of doctors would still consider this in the safe range. The doctors I talked to said the values may have been kept at the original levels if the subjects were taking in 200-400 mg of milk thistle a day, along with up to 100 000 I.U.'s of beta-carotene/day. I did not know that beta carotene had been used to treat liver problems til the other day. I had always used it to combat acne. I'm now planning on using it during my next cycle. You learn something new every day!

WHO DO YOU KNOW, LET ALONE A TOP LEVEL LIFTER, THAT TAKES A 10 WEEK CYCLE ONLY.............LET ALONE AT THOSE DOSAGES? THE PROBLEMS, IF ANY, COME AFTER LONG TERM USAGE WHERE CHOLESTEROL AND HDL AND LIVER ENZYMES HAVE BEEN OUT OF WHACK FOR 20-30 YEARS.

 

[natabolic]

WHO DO YOU KNOW, LET ALONE A TOP LEVEL LIFTER, THAT TAKES A 10 WEEK CYCLE ONLY.............LET ALONE AT THOSE DOSAGES? THE PROBLEMS, IF ANY, COME AFTER LONG TERM USAGE WHERE CHOLESTEROL AND HDL AND LIVER ENZYMES HAVE BEEN OUT OF WHACK FOR 20-30 YEARS.

Thats true phil. But another thing, who does a 10 week cycle of orals?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

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Thats true phil. But another thing, who does a 10 week cycle of orals?

whee you from? hahaaahaahahah JK

 

[VNV]

Thats true phil. But another thing, who does a 10 week cycle of orals?

Every punk who visits GNC and buys a PH like M1T or superdrol because they don't know how to get their hands on the real stuff, sadly.

 

[natabolic]

Every punk who visits GNC and buys a PH like M1T or superdrol because they don't know how to get their hands on the real stuff, sadly.

Aha, and that stuff is WAY more liver toxic than any oral. IMO anyway.

 

[natabolic]

whee you from? hahaaahaahahah JK

Canada LOL. Running an oral cycle more than 6 weeks is just ignorant IMHO.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

GOOD POINT

Canada LOL. Running an oral cycle more than 6 weeks is just ignorant IMHO.

BUT YOU REALLY CAN NOT SAY 6 WEEKS..........5 WEEKS........19 WEEKS..........IT IS ALL INDIVIDUAL.

 

[natabolic]

BUT YOU REALLY CAN NOT SAY 6 WEEKS..........5 WEEKS........19 WEEKS..........IT IS ALL INDIVIDUAL.

True. But for most people, 4-6 weeks is enough for orals. The basic use of an oral is a kickstart, til the injectables kick in. Hypothetically of course.

 

[VNV]

BUT YOU REALLY CAN NOT SAY 6 WEEKS..........5 WEEKS........19 WEEKS..........IT IS ALL INDIVIDUAL.

True that.

I think the lesson here is that if you're a dumbass and you can't control yourself, you're going to get screwed. It's true for every aspect of life, whether it be AAS, strippers, booze, anger, etc.

All I know is that I feel confident about my health chugging away from my bottle of dbol. Just like a keg in college! Thanks natabolic!

 

[natabolic]

True that.

I think the lesson here is that if you're a dumbass and you can't control yourself, you're going to get screwed. It's true for every aspect of life, whether it be AAS, strippers, booze, anger, etc.

All I know is that I feel confident about my health chugging away from my bottle of dbol. Just like a keg in college! Thanks natabolic!

haha