Birth Defects???

Coopie · Jan 7, 2005

Friend just found out his wife is pregnant. That's the good news...

The bad new is that he is currently running 1g test/week, 600mg Deca/week, and some Var. In the very recent past he's also run DBol, Tren, and some other stuff - it was a long list and I don't remember it all.

So, is there ANY chance that he has damaged his ability to produce "quality" sperm? He's 37 years old and has been cycling AS for about 15 years. He already has a child, but that was planned and he kept clean for 6 months prior to that pregnancy. This time around he's been "on" for, as he says, "as long as I can remember".

He's literally shittin a brick over this! Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Crowler · Jan 7, 2005

PLENTY of guys get their wife/gf pregnant while 'on' and the baby is FINE>

They can always have ultra sound and amniosentisis tests done to look for Deformaties and Downs Syndrom.

DAMN I am a horrible speller

Coopie · Jan 7, 2005

Well I told him that plenty of pro athletes have families and they're fine.

BUT, then he told me that two friends of his who were pro football players (he played semi-pro football) bith have children with autism. One has an autistic son and a girl with down's syndrome and that in the NFL the incidence of birth defects is something like 3X the national average.

I don't know if that is true or not, or even if it is true, if it has to do with AS at all!

Anyhow, he's freaked and looking for some thoughts.

JonnyO · Jan 7, 2005

Coopie said:
BUT, then he told me that two friends of his who were pro football players (he played semi-pro football) bith have children with autism. One has an autistic son and a girl with down's syndrome and that in the NFL the incidence of birth defects is something like 3X the national average.

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I think its more from getting hit in the head too much. Really though, tons of guys that use have had children that are born fine. I think if something is going to go wrong it either hereditary or just a birth defect that there is no control over, if there was all babies would be born perfect.

zo6man · Jan 7, 2005

Been There

I was in the same shoes as your buddy, I had just finished clomid and hcg to help bring the boys back. Then my wife asks me to pick her up a pregnancy test, my jaw hit the floor. Not to say that it's okay but everything went fine throughout the whole term and delivery. That was our second child and our little princess is beautiful. The same thing happened to my younger brother, and all is fine. The technology they use today can detect most birth defects in the first trimaster, no later than the second. zo6

Big A · Jan 8, 2005

I posed this same question to some doctors years ago and their answer was that the only way there can be a birth defect is if it's in your dna. So for the gear to affect a baby, the gear would have to change your dna - it won't happen!
BUT, any drug ingested by the pregnant woman can affect the unborn baby.

jerrywear · Jan 9, 2005

Big A said:
I posed this same question to some doctors years ago and their answer was that the only way there can be a birth defect is if it's in your dna. So for the gear to affect a baby, the gear would have to change your dna - it won't happen!
BUT, any drug ingested by the pregnant woman can affect the unborn baby.

i did the same research a few years a go myself,and i had the same answer,and frienf of mine he is 41 now has 3 big girls and he was runing so much shit at that time it wasnt funy,but all his girls are fine.so its all in dna.
good post Big A

PharmD27 · Jan 9, 2005

There is some worry that finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) may cause defects even if taken by men. But no proof. Like Big A says you''d have to have something alter your DNA to cause that.

Also, I couldn't find a link of playing professional football and birth defects. Could you provide a reference please?

Tman2002 · Jan 10, 2005

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I swear your more likely to have girls if you use gear. Seems like every juicer with kids I can think of has girls. The biggest one I can think of has 5 of them.

Skip · Jan 10, 2005

Big A said:
I posed this same question to some doctors years ago and their answer was that the only way there can be a birth defect is if it's in your dna. So for the gear to affect a baby, the gear would have to change your dna - it won't happen!
BUT, any drug ingested by the pregnant woman can affect the unborn baby.

You beat me to it.

I had my last girl while on an "experiment" at the time of biiig dosages. She is the cutest of the 4 so I might just...... oh, forget it. : )

Skip

Coopie · Jan 10, 2005

Well, the DNA-connection makes good sense to me. One thought, however, is this: Can something alter the body's ability to properly produce DNA for sperm? That would result in bad DNA, thus bad child? I know that's a stretch, but just taking the hypothesis to its next level...

Also, PharmD: That statement was made by my buddy who's going through this now. I don't know where he got it from, but he did play semi-pro ball for like 5 years and he he has a few friends who were NY Jets ALL of whom have at least one child who is either retarded, down's syndrome, moderate autism, etc.

No shit, about three years ago I went with him to Marty Lyon's house for a superbowl party. There must have been about a dozen former or current players there and, I didn't count, but it looked as if there were at least that many children with some form of retardation. THAT'S WHY HE'S SO FREAKED RIGHT NOW!

He spoke over the weekend to a former team doctor that I guess he knows pretty well. The doc said that the higher rate of child retardation has to do with the player's exposure to chemicals that are used on the fields. The chemicals leech into the skin through exposure with either the ball or the field itself, and can cause cellular damage. The doc also told him not to worry because his last exposure was so many years ago.

WTF? Who knows?!?

gravityfighter · Jan 10, 2005

3 beautiful kid's, 2 boy's, 1 girl, all fine....all made while jacked!

Maybe a few more out there I don't know about,,,you know how it is when on,anything that moves is fair game

GF

Depotrone · Jan 11, 2005

Tman2002 said:
I swear your more likely to have girls if you use gear. Seems like every juicer with kids I can think of has girls. The biggest one I can think of has 5 of them.

I agree with you 100% on this. All the biggest guys I know have girls. Even the ones who come from families of all boys.

PharmD27 · Jan 15, 2005

Coopie said:
He spoke over the weekend to a former team doctor that I guess he knows pretty well. The doc said that the higher rate of child retardation has to do with the player's exposure to chemicals that are used on the fields. The chemicals leech into the skin through exposure with either the ball or the field itself, and can cause cellular damage. The doc also told him not to worry because his last exposure was so many years ago.

WTF? Who knows?!?

that makes sense. Thanks

PharmD27 · Jan 15, 2005

Depotrone said:
I agree with you 100% on this. All the biggest guys I know have girls. Even the ones who come from families of all boys.

I've heard this just as an anecdotal story (and haven't found a scientific study on this) but that at too high of temps you can't have kids in the jewels. But at somewhat lower, you're more likely to shoot out X chromosomes (so you have girls). At lower temps, you're more likely to shoot out Y's and have boys.

So, bodybuilder = more muscle = more body heat = girls?