I am curious about one thing. Even though this discussion has come up before in various forms, I still want to hear your thoughts about this very particular aspect of training.
I have been lifting for a very long time and helped a ton of guys (both enhanced and natural) train. Never have I actually seen a convincing case where going beyond failure has actually helped someone build more muscle. What I mean is that lifting until you cannot do another full rep in OK style is definitely enough to build all the muscle you will ever build (and depending on the weight a nd exercise simply gong to failure can be a pretty hard thing to do). Adding forced reps, doing rest pause to get out a few more reps or continuing to do reps by significantly compromising your form or doing partial reps will just not make someone more muscled or more cut or more defined or improve muscle shape... at all IMO.
What happens is that when people get on a higher AAS dose or really get serious about their diet or improve some other aspect of the package, they also want to be doing more than they have theretofore in the gym and add forced reps etc. Then they of course build more muscle and wrongly attribute this to the "harder training".
I totally accept that I may be wrong. What do you think? Has anyone here personally seen more growth that they can realistically attribute to going beyond failure in theır training?
I have been lifting for a very long time and helped a ton of guys (both enhanced and natural) train. Never have I actually seen a convincing case where going beyond failure has actually helped someone build more muscle. What I mean is that lifting until you cannot do another full rep in OK style is definitely enough to build all the muscle you will ever build (and depending on the weight a nd exercise simply gong to failure can be a pretty hard thing to do). Adding forced reps, doing rest pause to get out a few more reps or continuing to do reps by significantly compromising your form or doing partial reps will just not make someone more muscled or more cut or more defined or improve muscle shape... at all IMO.
What happens is that when people get on a higher AAS dose or really get serious about their diet or improve some other aspect of the package, they also want to be doing more than they have theretofore in the gym and add forced reps etc. Then they of course build more muscle and wrongly attribute this to the "harder training".
I totally accept that I may be wrong. What do you think? Has anyone here personally seen more growth that they can realistically attribute to going beyond failure in theır training?