Chinese igf-1 lr3 reconstition w/ sterile water vs. bac water vs. aa w/ nacl water

[SitySlicker1]

My take on "chinese igf-1 lr3" reconstition

I've been experimenting with all three reconst. methods in the past 1.5 months w/ 3g of igf-1 lr3 100mcg vials. I used one gram for each reconst. solvent. It seems to be that sterile water is the most effective when its comes to reconst. of these chinese peptides.

AA/nacl and bac water (1% ba) did not do the job. Notice that the igf did not completely dissolve and had flakes floating around. Would have to swirl lightly around until completely dissolved (clear color) to pin. I pinned 100mcg pwo and didn't get the usually hypo or any other related side effects of igf-1 lr3. Also no incredible pumps and vascularity to brag about. At this point i figure that igf-1 lr3 was bunk or was being reconstit. improperly.

So, i decide to go back to old school method of using sterile water for reconstitution (which is what i've done in the past w/ great success).
Once sterile water (no ba additives) was added to igf-1 r3 it competely dissolved immediately and had a slight cloudy tint to it. I pinned using same protocol 100mcg pwo into trained muscle. That same day found myself going hypo, getting headaches, hungry pangs, and nice full pumps and vascularity in the gym the next day. Sterile water is the only way i will reconst. my chinese igf-1 lr3 from now on.

Not sure what the problems was with first two experiments. Maybe the way the chinese manufacture igf is completely different from Gropep manuf. process. So, taking this into consideration, why do we think is should be reconstited the same why as gropep advertises with AA/nacl?
Leo and other china suppliers have suggested bac water only. Did they mean "sterile water"??? Bac water has a slight concentration of ba. Which may have destroy my peptide or degraded it to lower concentration.

If you guys have the "chinese" igf-1 lr3 in 100mcg vials give the "sterile water only" a try, you won't be sorry. Best of luck..

 

[palehorse51]

Very good to know! Thanks for info!

 

[2BIGFRED]

what about the 1mg vials wouldnt you have to use aa for those?
I have some 100mcg vials and some 1mg vials coming.I dont have any sterile water but do have nacl would that be the same for the 100mcg vials?

 

[Buster]

How was your shelf life? Once you reconstituted the 100mcg vial, how long until you pinned the last dose?

Also, do you recommend the same for Chinese rHGH? Or do you recommend bacteriostatic water?

 

[LATS]

bump for busters question.. how long will it remain active in sterile water..?

 

[Zomb131]

Thanks for the info, I have the "chinese" igf in 100mcg vials and use AA/Nacl to recon the solution. I'm on week 2, and haven't noticed much of anything. I use 40mcg's PWO Bi-lat. I give the sterial water a try.

 

[SD1959]

what about the 1mg vials wouldnt you have to use aa for those?
I have some 100mcg vials and some 1mg vials coming.I dont have any sterile water but do have nacl would that be the same for the 100mcg vials?

Bump for 1mg info.

 

[DARIOZZO]

I've been experimenting with all three reconst. methods in the past 1.5 months w/ 3g of igf-1 lr3 100mcg vials. I used one gram for each reconst. solvent. It seems to be that sterile water is the most effective when its comes to reconst. of these chinese peptides.

AA/nacl and bac water (1% ba) did not do the job. Notice that the igf did not completely dissolve and had flakes floating around. Would have to swirl lightly around until completely dissolved (clear color) to pin. I pinned 100mcg pwo and didn't get the usually hypo or any other related side effects of igf-1 lr3. Also no incredible pumps and vascularity to brag about. At this point i figure that igf-1 lr3 was bunk or was being reconstit. improperly.

So, i decide to go back to old school method of using sterile water for reconstitution (which is what i've done in the past w/ great success).
Once sterile water (no ba additives) was added to igf-1 r3 it competely dissolved immediately and had a slight cloudy tint to it. I pinned using same protocol 100mcg pwo into trained muscle. That same day found myself going hypo, getting headaches, hungry pangs, and nice full pumps and vascularity in the gym the next day. Sterile water is the only way i will reconst. my chinese igf-1 lr3 from now on.

Not sure what the problems was with first two experiments. Maybe the way the chinese manufacture igf is completely different from Gropep manuf. process. So, taking this into consideration, why do we think is should be reconstited the same why as gropep advertises with AA/nacl?
Leo and other china suppliers have suggested bac water only. Did they mean "sterile water"??? Bac water has a slight concentration of ba. Which may have destroy my peptide or degraded it to lower concentration.

If you guys have the "chinese" igf-1 lr3 in 100mcg vials give the "sterile water only" a try, you won't be sorry. Best of luck..

From what source you bought it?

But with only sterile water for how many days the product is still good?

 

[Zomb131]

Have you tried just using Nacl? If so how did that turn out?

 

[Putin]

This so called experiment is full of holes in so many ways.

 

[SitySlicker1]

This so called experiment is full of holes in so many ways.

Everyone is free to express opinion. But their is no true answer for proper reconst. of the chinese grade igf lr3. Many research co. are advocating and suppling AA and nacl for reconst chinese 1g vials., but this protocol was meant for gropep brand. Do we really know if it works??? Many may say yes, but it could be placebo or the users was on a cycle and could not distinguise sp? between the AAS or Igf lr3. I bought 1g vial reconst. in AA/nacl and was very disappointed. Now i only buy 100mcg vials and love the results when sterile water is added.

Also, a couple of chinese sources, such as "Leo" have suggested use of bac water only, not aa/nacl for reconst. What do you guys think about this???

Many have reported good things about MR igf lr3 and that was reconst. in BA back in the day. But we don't really hear about sources using this protocol anymore. I tried it on one 100mcg vial, i got white sludge. No good fro chinese grade.

I not telling you guys what to do, but it would not hurt try sterile water on just one vial 100mcg to see if you see a difference.

For those who have 1g vials, I would not recommend sterile water b/c your product will degrade with in ~24 hours.


I used the sterile water on Tom's jinigf with great results. And ran experiment w/ ljfglg sp? recepetor grade.

 

[Putin]

Everyone is free to express opinion. But their is no true answer for proper reconst. of the chinese grade igf lr3. Many research co. are advocating and suppling AA and nacl for reconst chinese 1g vials., but this protocol was meant for gropep brand. Do we really know if it works??? Many may say yes, but it could be placebo or the users was on a cycle and could not distinguise sp? between the AAS or Igf lr3. I bought 1g vial reconst. in AA/nacl and was very disappointed. Now i only buy 100mcg vials and love the results when sterile water is added.

Also, a couple of chinese sources, such as "Leo" have suggested use of bac water only, not aa/nacl for reconst. What do you guys think about this???

Many have reported good things about MR igf lr3 and that was reconst. in BA back in the day. But we don't really hear about sources using this protocol anymore. I tried it on one 100mcg vial, i got white sludge. No good fro chinese grade.

I not telling you guys what to do, but it would not hurt try sterile water on just one vial 100mcg to see if you see a difference.

For those who have 1g vials, I would not recommend sterile water b/c your product will degrade with in ~24 hours.


I used the sterile water on Tom's jinigf with great results. And ran experiment w/ ljfglg sp? recepetor grade.

How can you tell the difference when using igf using water or AA? Just the hypo feeling? fullness? etc. I agree with you that we really dont know the proper way or reconstitution of IGF, there is no way to test how stable it will be when using it with water and how long it will last. It would be nice if someone did test it.

Also when you say 24hr period with water or it will degrade, is this heresay or do you actually have a source to this info?

If there is no bacteria in the vial, then there should be minimal degradation, since the bacteria feeds on protein (igf). So maybe using sterile water along with 5iu of BA wouldnt hurt to keep it more sterile. It's a minimal ammount of BA.

 

[SitySlicker1]

How can you tell the difference when using igf using water or AA? Just the hypo feeling? fullness? etc. I agree with you that we really dont know the proper way or reconstitution of IGF, there is no way to test how stable it will be when using it with water and how long it will last. It would be nice if someone did test it.

Also when you say 24hr period with water or it will degrade, is this heresay or do you actually have a source to this info?

If there is no bacteria in the vial, then there should be minimal degradation, since the bacteria feeds on protein (igf). So maybe using sterile water along with 5iu of BA wouldnt hurt to keep it more sterile. It's a minimal ammount of BA.

Yes "I" noticed the sides came on stronger w/ the sterile water vs. any other method. The sterile water also was able to dissolve powder almost instantly, w/ no flakes. Seems like a better median in my eyes.

As far as degrading in 24 hours, igtropin uses sterile water for their igf lr3 and says that products must be used w/in 24 hours. I pin 100mcg pwo 3x a week in sterile water median, so time and degradation don't apply to me.

I'm no chemist, so i have no comment on BA and how it may effect igf lr3. All i can say is Igf lr3 is a very delicate hormone.

 

[Putin]

You could be right. But, it seems that EVERYONE has different info on how long IGF will be stable with sterile water. Here's some info I found on a site.



Solubility: It is recommended to reconstitute the lyophilized IGF-1 in sterile 18MolarOmega-cm H2O not less than 100µg/ml. which can then be further diluted to other aqueous solutions.

 

[Bigfoot Research]

actually there is a true proper answer.im surprised this still gets debated.
acetic acid is to be used for chinese,as u mentioned,ba turns it into an unusable sludge.even gropep themselves recomend using acetic acid

now,it is different if you are reconstituting and administering the full vial immediately after mixing it.if u use bw.thats fine,as your using the whole vial and there is nothing left over to keep stable.i can tell u ,if u do not use it all at once,and let your igf sit in bw or pretty much anything other than proper aa,your gonna have inert wasted peptide on your hands.

again,the main point here is u are mixing and using the peptide immediately.no leftover to store.

also to note-u keep saying 1g hehe..its 1MG,,1g=1 THOUSAND mg's

most igf,esepciallyl chinese comes in 1mg vials vs the 100mcg vials.

trust me,use acetic acid,not aa/nacl mix.no nacl...use pure proper ph aa as that is what the igf wants,its the proper ph to stay stable.and once mixed it will be fine at room temp for several months.best kept in the fridge of course.but i am trying to make a point that ppl really overblow the stability issues on peptides in general.just misinformation being perpetuated again and again and i try to help alleviate that...

if u have the 100mcg vials though i would be prone to use sterile water as well.cuz hell...who wants to put an acid into the body if they can help it?

Everyone is free to express opinion. But their is no true answer for proper reconst. of the chinese grade igf lr3. Many research co. are advocating and suppling AA and nacl for reconst chinese 1g vials., but this protocol was meant for gropep brand. Do we really know if it works??? Many may say yes, but it could be placebo or the users was on a cycle and could not distinguise sp? between the AAS or Igf lr3. I bought 1g vial reconst. in AA/nacl and was very disappointed. Now i only buy 100mcg vials and love the results when sterile water is added.

Also, a couple of chinese sources, such as "Leo" have suggested use of bac water only, not aa/nacl for reconst. What do you guys think about this???

Many have reported good things about MR igf lr3 and that was reconst. in BA back in the day. But we don't really hear about sources using this protocol anymore. I tried it on one 100mcg vial, i got white sludge. No good fro chinese grade.

I not telling you guys what to do, but it would not hurt try sterile water on just one vial 100mcg to see if you see a difference.

For those who have 1g vials, I would not recommend sterile water b/c your product will degrade with in ~24 hours.


I used the sterile water on Tom's jinigf with great results. And ran experiment w/ ljfglg sp? recepetor grade.

 

[jig]

actually there is a true proper answer.im surprised this still gets debated.
acetic acid is to be used for chinese,as u mentioned,ba turns it into an unusable sludge.even gropep themselves recomend using acetic acid

now,it is different if you are reconstituting and administering the full vial immediately after mixing it.if u use bw.thats fine,as your using the whole vial and there is nothing left over to keep stable.i can tell u ,if u do not use it all at once,and let your igf sit in bw or pretty much anything other than proper aa,your gonna have inert wasted peptide on your hands.

again,the main point here is u are mixing and using the peptide immediately.no leftover to store.

also to note-u keep saying 1g hehe..its 1MG,,1g=1 THOUSAND mg's

most igf,esepciallyl chinese comes in 1mg vials vs the 100mcg vials.

trust me,use acetic acid,not aa/nacl mix.no nacl...use pure proper ph aa as that is what the igf wants,its the proper ph to stay stable.and once mixed it will be fine at room temp for several months.best kept in the fridge of course.but i am trying to make a point that ppl really overblow the stability issues on peptides in general.just misinformation being perpetuated again and again and i try to help alleviate that...

if u have the 100mcg vials though i would be prone to use sterile water as well.cuz hell...who wants to put an acid into the body if they can help it?

Now that's some good info from a great guy! Thanks, and good to see you around BF. I will be getting in touch with you soon.

Jig

 

[2BIGFRED]

actually there is a true proper answer.im surprised this still gets debated.
acetic acid is to be used for chinese,as u mentioned,ba turns it into an unusable sludge.even gropep themselves recomend using acetic acid

now,it is different if you are reconstituting and administering the full vial immediately after mixing it.if u use bw.thats fine,as your using the whole vial and there is nothing left over to keep stable.i can tell u ,if u do not use it all at once,and let your igf sit in bw or pretty much anything other than proper aa,your gonna have inert wasted peptide on your hands.

again,the main point here is u are mixing and using the peptide immediately.no leftover to store.

also to note-u keep saying 1g hehe..its 1MG,,1g=1 THOUSAND mg's

most igf,esepciallyl chinese comes in 1mg vials vs the 100mcg vials.

trust me,use acetic acid,not aa/nacl mix.no nacl...use pure proper ph aa as that is what the igf wants,its the proper ph to stay stable.and once mixed it will be fine at room temp for several months.best kept in the fridge of course.but i am trying to make a point that ppl really overblow the stability issues on peptides in general.just misinformation being perpetuated again and again and i try to help alleviate that...

if u have the 100mcg vials though i would be prone to use sterile water as well.cuz hell...who wants to put an acid into the body if they can help it?

So using aa with the china stuff is fine?Thats what I have always used for mine.

 

[Marc-Antony]

actually there is a true proper answer.im surprised this still gets debated.
acetic acid is to be used for chinese,as u mentioned,ba turns it into an unusable sludge.even gropep themselves recomend using acetic acid

now,it is different if you are reconstituting and administering the full vial immediately after mixing it.if u use bw.thats fine,as your using the whole vial and there is nothing left over to keep stable.i can tell u ,if u do not use it all at once,and let your igf sit in bw or pretty much anything other than proper aa,your gonna have inert wasted peptide on your hands.

again,the main point here is u are mixing and using the peptide immediately.no leftover to store.

also to note-u keep saying 1g hehe..its 1MG,,1g=1 THOUSAND mg's

most igf,esepciallyl chinese comes in 1mg vials vs the 100mcg vials.

trust me,use acetic acid,not aa/nacl mix.no nacl...use pure proper ph aa as that is what the igf wants,its the proper ph to stay stable.and once mixed it will be fine at room temp for several months.best kept in the fridge of course.but i am trying to make a point that ppl really overblow the stability issues on peptides in general.just misinformation being perpetuated again and again and i try to help alleviate that...

if u have the 100mcg vials though i would be prone to use sterile water as well.cuz hell...who wants to put an acid into the body if they can help it?

Bump for some good/valuable info ...

 

[STEEDA69]

I just had to jump in here to dispel some of the mis-guided opinions being displayed! I too have tried the various methods of reconstituting IGF. The only real difference is that I had Blood Smac's to verify my results and not some "feeling" of hunger OR hypoglycemia. Hell, you don't even need to get blood tests, just check your damn blood sugar levels after injecting the IGF!

My blood results DID show variations in IGF concentrations but they were too small to illicit any viable explanation, which basically equates to, It didn't matter how the IGF was reconstituted, they all worked equally as well.

The comment about Chinese IGF being different than Gro pep's! Bro, IGF IS IGF because of a specific sequence and number of proteins. Change it's sequence OR number of proteins and it is NO longer IGF!

Thank God science is not based off someone's "feeling"OR personal opinion!

JD~

 

[SitySlicker1]

I just had to jump in here to dispel some of the mis-guided opinions being displayed! I too have tried the various methods of reconstituting IGF. The only real difference is that I had Blood Smac's to verify my results and not some "feeling" of hunger OR hypoglycemia. Hell, you don't even need to get blood tests, just check your damn blood sugar levels after injecting the IGF!

My blood results DID show variations in IGF concentrations but they were too small to illicit any viable explanation, which basically equates to, It didn't matter how the IGF was reconstituted, they all worked equally as well.

The comment about Chinese IGF being different than Gro pep's! Bro, IGF IS IGF because of a specific sequence and number of proteins. Change it's sequence OR number of proteins and it is NO longer IGF!

Thank God science is not based off someone's "feeling"OR personal opinion!

JD~

I understand where your coming from bro. This thread was not meant to miss lead others, i was just simply stating what has/is working best for me. I never stated this is "how it suppose to be done!"

Do you mind posting your blood test results on igf-1 concentrations? Would love to see results.