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cycle protection advice for health

blkhrt_jordan

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Please post if you have worhwhile intelligent information to add. Planning around 14
week cycle in safest manner possible with modern pharmacology.

I am going to take Telmisartan and Amlodipine for blood pressure and some related heart protection.

Low dose naltrexone for turning down inflammation in endothelial cells to protect against blood vessel damage (only small evidence for this being efficacious).

Centroxiphene to protect against plaque buildup in brain from Tren.

Along with this, bpc157 to help repair blood vessel damage. This will be run mostly throughout cycle, and a few weeks into PCT time.

Other supplements are indole-3-carbinol for healthy estrogen metabilization, i will not be using AI medication. I have P5P and Vitamin E for prolactin control, i have some caber too but hoping not to need it. I will probably use Raloxifene for any nipple sensitivity issues and to see if it can work on some pubertal gyno from being a fat kid. And then a lot of supplements like coq10, fish oil, shilajit, for overall health and protection, especially from 19-nors potential damage to cardiovascular system.

The steroid plan is basically 140mg test c throughout. I believe a good replacement dose of test is enough when running other compounds. NPP will increased from start to a max of 300mg a week by week 7. This is the phase where i want to gain tremendous strength and muscle. Then i will drop NPP to hrt dose of 60-80mg for some joint health. Tren will be introduced at start of week 4 and tapered up to a max of 250mg a week by the time I drop the NPP dose at week 8. I will stay on the max tren dose until week 10-12 and drop it completely so I am on it a max of 8 weeks. I will also drop my test dose to 70-100mg which is my trt dose, and if bloodwork is reasonable, cruise on some low dose anavar and hopefully by then i at least resemble a grecian statue and have achieved some lifting goals.

I will also use 4 shots of ghrp2 and mod grf for the entire time im on, and maintain on one shot when i cruise.

If the tren fucks with my cardio I will use Singulair to help. I also may take some proviron and cialis as needed throughout, and a couple hcg and or hmg shots a week if it helps me feel better, and to help not get shrunken nuts which i dont appreciate.


I realize my doses are insignificant compared to many but I respond well to gear. Anyways, this is my plan. Any input is welcome. I especially want to know what can be done to combat stomach problems on tren. Even on only 80mg a week i get bad feels down there, i might have to use it for only 6 weeks. This is my first planned cycle since recovering from a bad injury, i hope to go from basically zero to hero in a matter of 3-4 months lol. I will get as much bloods and keep as detailed of a log as possible for me. My other biggest worry is prolactin, ive never run nandrolone before, and never run enouh tren to need it, i hope by keeping it handled i can feel better, like a normal person while on. I know some peptides can spike prolactin so i will keep an eye on that alongaide the 19-nors.
 
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The MOST anabolic compound ever is food...I see nothing in here about that. :banghead:
 

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Keep your e2 in check and prolactin shouldn't be problem.I wouldn't take some meds like Centroxiphene, Amlodipine if you doesn't have problem with heart.
If you want to protect your heart, do Echocardiogram,EKG,Heart cardiac, CT scan and monitor blood, blood pressure.
Like you mention good quality Omega 3 Fish Oil (high in EPA and DHA),CQ10,Monounsaturated fats - Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Macadamia Nut..Use Apple cider vinegar for stomach problems twice a day on empty stomach, tumeric,peppermint tea ... and don't forget good diet!:)
 
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How do you know your BP will rise? A slight rise isn't going to kill you.

This (to me) looks way over analysed, surely you understand all these other drugs have their own side effects.

Where are the dietary supplements to aid in the deterioration of health when using AAS?
 

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Keep your e2 in check and prolactin shouldn't be problem.I wouldn't take some meds like Centroxiphene, Amlodipine if you doesn't have problem with heart.
If you want to protect your heart, do Echocardiogram,EKG,Heart cardiac, CT scan and monitor blood, blood pressure.
Like you mention good quality Omega 3 Fish Oil (high in EPA and DHA),CQ10,Monounsaturated fats - Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Macadamia Nut..Use Apple cider vinegar for stomach problems twice a day on empty stomach, tumeric,peppermint tea ... and don't forget good diet!:)

Thanks, i already started acv and hope it helps on tren. On that dose of test i3c or dim keep e2 in range, but if i use a serm like ralox i dont mind running it higher. Centrox is for brain plaque from tren, it helps combat that. Aliodipine is to protect against npp damage to heart.

How do you know your BP will rise? A slight rise isn't going to kill you.

This (to me) looks way over analysed, surely you understand all these other drugs have their own side effects.

Where are the dietary supplements to aid in the deterioration of health when using AAS?

My bp will rise based on past cycles, it easily rises on gear and keeping it in range will help health and also protect against nandrolone damage to vessels and heart. Micardis also enhances cardio capaciy and is something i take off cycle as well. The other med is for specifically protection from npp damage. I dont see much wrong with going to that extent to protect health on cycle, if some of it is expensive thats fine, i value health too much not to use every tool available.


I listed many supps like i3c, fish oil, coq10. Im not sure what else you mean, obviously i will eat food. I eat a mostly vegetarian diet with eggs, whites, and fish, beans and whey powder as my protein sources. I do 2x30min cardio per day, lift 6 days a week, am in gym 4 hrs a day on average, there is lots of activity.
 

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I listed many supps like i3c, fish oil, coq10. Im not sure what else you mean, obviously i will eat food. I eat a mostly vegetarian diet with eggs, whites, and fish, beans and whey powder as my protein sources. I do 2x30min cardio per day, lift 6 days a week, am in gym 4 hrs a day on average, there is lots of activity.
bro, u seem to of done a ton of research on compounds and medications, but no research on diet and training. 4 hrs. in the gym a day 6 days a week? u can’t be serious! I’d spend waaaay more time planning out ur diet and your training routine.
 

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bro, u seem to of done a ton of research on compounds and medications, but no research on diet and training. 4 hrs. in the gym a day 6 days a week? u can’t be serious! I’d spend waaaay more time planning out ur diet and your training routine.

This is a condescending interpretation of what i posted. I would need to type alot to fully analyze and dissect your ignorance in assumption, and im sure half a dozen of your bros will get butthurt over this, but i really dont have time. Going back for my second gym session today. I wasnt aware that by not talking about diet that i was saying i dont know a thing about nutrition. Also didnt know that your specific notion about training time and routines overruled and ignored every other method, style, and purpose of training. Make sure to tell all the powerlifters and mma fighters and athletes they are training too long and need to reevaluate their routine. What about my diet is lacking to you? Can you explain why 6 hrs of combined weights, skills, mobility, cardio, etc training is something i need to learn more about, according to you?
 
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Honestly...

With those doses...even if you didn't take any of those supplements, you'd still be fine.

Especially considering the time frame.

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That just seems ridiculous - all those other compounds have their owns sets of reactions and side effects. Your algorithm would need to go out one step further to address the negative sides from your auxiliaries which would then create another set of negative effects - unending chain. Can't cheat the reaper.
 

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Aren't you the guy with Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome?

I can understand wanting to use every precaution to be as safe as possible.

I know what it is....in fact it was the determining factor in my mom's ablation therapy. She lived with it for years....but finally the episodes got to a point to where it was happening way too frequently.

Your right...a lot more people have it then they know unless they obviously have symptoms...or find out through random testing. But a lot of these people lead normal lives with no treatment especially if they find what triggers episodes for them...and avoid those.

She had the ablation done years ago....and hasn't had any problems related to that since.

Ultimately it's up to you....but I'm not too sure about the Tren. Your planning to use 250mg a week. My normal resting pulse rate has always been on the lower side (55-60)....but even just 200mg of tren back when I used it would elevate my resting heart rate pretty dramatically.

With your condition....that would be the one compound I would think twice about....especially if your symptoms are of the "more serious" type in regards to intensity.



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This would be an interesting discussion if OP wasn’t such a colossal prick...
 

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I think you might be kind of "over thinking" this whole using anabolics idea.
 

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Please post if you have worhwhile intelligent information to add. Planning around 14
week cycle in safest manner possible with modern pharmacology.

I am going to take Telmisartan and Amlodipine for blood pressure and some related heart protection.

Low dose naltrexone for turning down inflammation in endothelial cells to protect against blood vessel damage (only small evidence for this being efficacious).

Centroxiphene to protect against plaque buildup in brain from Tren.

Along with this, bpc157 to help repair blood vessel damage. This will be run mostly throughout cycle, and a few weeks into PCT time.

Other supplements are indole-3-carbinol for healthy estrogen metabilization, i will not be using AI medication. I have P5P and Vitamin E for prolactin control, i have some caber too but hoping not to need it. I will probably use Raloxifene for any nipple sensitivity issues and to see if it can work on some pubertal gyno from being a fat kid. And then a lot of supplements like coq10, fish oil, shilajit, for overall health and protection, especially from 19-nors potential damage to cardiovascular system.

The steroid plan is basically 140mg test c throughout. I believe a good replacement dose of test is enough when running other compounds. NPP will increased from start to a max of 300mg a week by week 7. This is the phase where i want to gain tremendous strength and muscle. Then i will drop NPP to hrt dose of 60-80mg for some joint health. Tren will be introduced at start of week 4 and tapered up to a max of 250mg a week by the time I drop the NPP dose at week 8. I will stay on the max tren dose until week 10-12 and drop it completely so I am on it a max of 8 weeks. I will also drop my test dose to 70-100mg which is my trt dose, and if bloodwork is reasonable, cruise on some low dose anavar and hopefully by then i at least resemble a grecian statue and have achieved some lifting goals.

I will also use 4 shots of ghrp2 and mod grf for the entire time im on, and maintain on one shot when i cruise.

If the tren fucks with my cardio I will use Singulair to help. I also may take some proviron and cialis as needed throughout, and a couple hcg and or hmg shots a week if it helps me feel better, and to help not get shrunken nuts which i dont appreciate.


I realize my doses are insignificant compared to many but I respond well to gear. Anyways, this is my plan. Any input is welcome. I especially want to know what can be done to combat stomach problems on tren. Even on only 80mg a week i get bad feels down there, i might have to use it for only 6 weeks. This is my first planned cycle since recovering from a bad injury, i hope to go from basically zero to hero in a matter of 3-4 months lol. I will get as much bloods and keep as detailed of a log as possible for me. My other biggest worry is prolactin, ive never run nandrolone before, and never run enouh tren to need it, i hope by keeping it handled i can feel better, like a normal person while on. I know some peptides can spike prolactin so i will keep an eye on that alongaide the 19-nors.

Looks like you've done a lot of research. As stated, make sure to load up on the heart health supps (ubiquinol, fish/krill oil, vitamin k, vitamin d3, etc.) in addition.

Does singulair really cancel out the negative cardio effects of tren? That's definitely my biggest issue with tren too.
 

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I haven't read all the replies as I was just hit with the overwhelming thought from your initial post that this is way over the top.

Some people hear x is good for this and y is good for that so they add x, z, y, a, b and c just to make sure. Some of those medications can bring about their own set of sides effects and issues.

His doses are not even that high. What do you consider high bp? It sounds like you have researched everything that may be good and are going to add it all in and at the same time.

I am just going to be blunt now and take it how you want. You sound like you have researched everything without any real common sense to put a realistic plan together. You are the same guy who posted this in my pre workout thread which again shows a lack of basic common sense.

Preworkout powder is an unhealthy waste of money. Best preworkout is coffee and nicotine gum or lozenge, agmatine sulfate to counteract vasoconstriction from the first two, and some saltwater for pumps. If you want mental stim without physical sides like jitters, try piracetam or other nootropics. If you are going for a pr try ammonia caps, or if you are risky, adderall.

So my caffeine, citrulline malate and nac etc are unhealthy (and somehow more expensive than his list) but I will be fine trying adderall and nicotine gum instead :banghead:

This would be an interesting discussion if OP wasn’t such a colossal prick...

The exact reason I posted the above. I would never post that to someone who is nice.
 
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This is a condescending interpretation of what i posted. I would need to type alot to fully analyze and dissect your ignorance in assumption, and im sure half a dozen of your bros will get butthurt over this, but i really dont have time. Going back for my second gym session today. I wasnt aware that by not talking about diet that i was saying i dont know a thing about nutrition. Also didnt know that your specific notion about training time and routines overruled and ignored every other method, style, and purpose of training. Make sure to tell all the powerlifters and mma fighters and athletes they are training too long and need to reevaluate their routine. What about my diet is lacking to you? Can you explain why 6 hrs of combined weights, skills, mobility, cardio, etc training is something i need to learn more about, according to you?
u said...” i hope to go from basically zero to hero in a matter of 3-4 months lol.” So, with that beind said, i was more interested in your foundation of training, specifically food and training. 6hrs. of training 6 days a week requires methodical training, nutrition, pre-intra-post work out nutients. Good luck...keep us posted on ur progress.
 

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Why not just run a trt dose for say like a year? Good diet and adequate rest time can do wonders on trt. I think adding all of these compounds together is a recipe for disaster if you have a heart condition. Not to mention any other compounds for prework out, alcohol use etc.
 

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