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DNP and diet a pratictical example?

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I started DNP one week ago, but still have doubts about nutrition, i am around 207 and have a lot of fat to loose... maybe 20, to get in the shape i'd like to have...

i am concerned about the calories amount, i am taking almost no fats (incidental ones may raise the amount to 10%), around 300 grams of proteins and a little more, lets say 400/500, of carbs, i am worried not to loose muscled but still i have the doubt it is too much for me, as suggested as first time user i have tapered my dose, yesterday i have reached 800mg ed of DNP with all the accessories (T3, magnesium, vit c, vit e, pyruvate, glycerol...ecc)

Do I have to correct my nutrition plan? can somebody advice me?
 
Don't even worry about it cause in a few days you'll be done... if at 800 mgs they haven't hit you yet and you keep increasing the dosages, the sides will soon become so untolerable you'll have no other choice but to stop brutally. :rolleyes:

Do yourself a favor and lay off that shit. DNP is NOT the answer, whatever you may think.

As for your initial question, if you're already at 800 mgs please DECREASE your carbs... 500-600g / day you'll feel like you're in hell... hence a much higher risk of dehydratation, especially at night.
 
Thanks for your reply Phidias, 800 mg is tolerable but i would never increase this dosage,no way.

i'm drinkng around 8-10 liters of liquids and at night i change 3 times the place where i sleep, because it gets comlpetely wet, and of course i take my time to drink overnight too, so i can assure dehydratation would be difficult to reach.

anyway its ok to me lowering carbs, the problem is that there is no time to adjust a wrong calorie income since the dnp cycle is quite short, so I'd like to have a suggestion about it from someone experienced to maximixe these few days that i have to do on dnp, then I will go on with different methods
 
you need dnp to lose 20lbs? why not learn how to diet and train correctly?
 
got 20 years of training experience, i have been working also as an instructor, last year i had a complete surgery to reattach my quad tedons, and i came back workingout 3 months ago

every dietary attempt to loose weight gives me joints pain

finally i wanted to try dnp as last resource

anybody are willing to give me advice that is NOT "learn to train diet" please? and yes, maybe i have to loose more also if i dont want to admit it...
 
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anyway its ok to me lowering carbs, the problem is that there is no time to adjust a wrong calorie income since the dnp cycle is quite short, so I'd like to have a suggestion about it from someone experienced to maximixe these few days that i have to do on dnp, then I will go on with different methods

300G pro + 500g carb = 3200 kcal daily

If you're 207 lbs that's probably much more than your maintenance requirements... so that leaves you with a lot of room for decreasing your food intake.

I know you said you wanted to avoid muscle loss, but dnp is said to be anti-proteolytic (spares muscle), by using fats and carbs preferably.

So if I were you and were to use dnp (which I strongly advise against but it's too late now...), I would do something like 250g pro/250g carbs or 300/200.

This way you'll eat 2000 kcal a day, won't feel so hot thanks to the reduced amount of carbs, and still burn a lot of bf due to the high dose of dnp.

At 3200 kcal a day you're just eating more than your daily requirements and your dnp is burning the excess food intake instead of bf... definitely not worth the nasty sides if you're gonna waste it... :eek:
 
Thanks Phidias, thats the clear and simple kind of answer I was looking for, dnp dietary requirements i read on many sites and articles are too weird for the regimen i was used to.

I will try the 250/250 way and will see how next week will go on
 
So i read the DNP articles and it seems pretty interesting and safe if you plan to take all the supps,etc..and keep dosing to around 500mg per day for 2weeks but I had a few ?'s. I dont plan on using it yet but i always like knowing exactly whats up even when I consider something.

1.) did you guys do the carb delplete for 3days prior to dnp, then immediately have carbs the day u started DNP.

2.) Is the 33,33,33% diet the best to follow or are more carbs like 50% and less fat like 10-15% better

3.)My main concern is the workouts. They say you cannot lose muscle while on dnp, yet at the same time an article suggests not lifting while on DNP, so if your going 2weeks with no lifting, that alone will cause some muscle loss. Did you guys still lift? I train 3x per week but everything is very heavy and doubt I wanna try 500+lb squats while on this stuff. Is it best to maybe train light like 12rep sets and only train maybe a few days per week?

4.) Is it ok if your on peptides like HGH and GH frag while using it?

5.) Do you really need to eat 600g carbs for 3days after use of dnp to get t3 levels back up or can you go back into your normal diet?
 
DNP isn't worth it. Yes, you will loose weight fast but you will lose muscle too and after the cycle there is a rebound effect. And it is very unpredictable: a small increase in dosage/outside temperature/activity/hydration level can cause a big increase in side effects. So you may be taking it for two weeks without problems and one day find yourself in the bath tub all day trying to cool off. Not worth it.
 
I havent heard much about fat rebound but from what I have read not many have had any fat rebound after use. I'd like to hear from anyone who has used it if there was a fat rebound?

As for muscle loss, what about this?

DNP is anti-proteolytic which means it uses carbohydrates or fats exclusively to supply energy for the mitochondria and does not facilitate muscle breakdown, however, this does not therefore mean DNP is positive for muscle building. The cells are running on overdrive and they are not going to be looking to make themselves bigger which requires even more energy
 
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This is it in a nut shell. I tried years ago and second day I puked blood and that was that. I'd by some cheap sheets and use them for the next week cause your about to RUIN the ones you have now. There will be a yellowish stain here soon. I'd follow the plan about the equal carbs to protein though. I had a buddy that used with low carbs and it didn't do much for him other than all the negative sides. It works much better with proper amounts of fat/carbs.
But I would avoid if possible. I wouldn't go ever 2 seperate doses of 200mg x 2 ed 12 hours apart from each other. At that weight and size this is more than enough to do what your looking for and within 8-10 days you'll be done for sure. I would also take the glycerol and everything else to help curb the sides.
 
Also even though DNP depletes carbs,the best results ive seen with it is when i carb deplete 2-3 days before i go on DNP,after that-it will burn almost anything.just keep hydrating.
 
Also even though DNP depletes carbs,the best results ive seen with it is when i carb deplete 2-3 days before i go on DNP,after that-it will burn almost anything.just keep hydrating.

So you depleted with what like 50carbs per day 2-3days before the DNP? Also the day you started the dnp, you added carbs again correct?
 
Excerpted from wikipedia.

2,4-Dinitrophenol (DNP), C6H4N2O5, is a cellular metabolic poison.

Commercial DNP is primarily used for scientific research and in manufacturing. It has been used at times to make dyes, other organic chemicals, and wood preservatives. It has also been used to make photographic developer, explosives [hence the Jimmy Walker reference], and pesticides.

DNP is considered an important environmental contaminant by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. It has been found in 61 of 1400 priority sites that need clean-up of industrial waste. It can enter the air from automobile exhaust, burning of certain industrial substances, and from reaction of nitrogen in air with other atmospheric chemicals. The major site of degradation is the soil, where microorganisms metabolize it.

All I can say is why would anyone want to ingest this substance?
 

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I'd like to have some qualified members comment on this. I don't know if associating DNP with explosives is accurate. I am no chemist. The information below seems to come directly from Wikipedia ( not always an accurate source.) I have also seen this information on other boards.

There is a chemist ( Michael Zumpano ) who is the OG in the world of gear, he was the brains behind Dan Duchanes books, he also went on to create Champion Nutrition. Mike says DNP is similar to Trinitrotoluene (TNT) but lacks a methyl group and one nitrogen on it's molecular structure, so ( in my opinion ) drawing inference or a parallel to DNP and explosives is liberal. It's like saying that although dianabol has a similar chemical structure to other steroids, all steroids are dianabol.

Now, this info came from MD's No Bull Radio. It had a three part interview with Zumpano and well worth listening to if you are interested in the history of the underground steroid movement.


http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1230/140/

Again I am no chemist and may be reading too much into these comments on explosives but I'd like to make things clear on this issue as this board has made it's name as the site for accurate information.

Respect,
Boo

2,4-Dinitrophenol (DNP), C6H4N2O5, is a cellular metabolic poison.

Commercial DNP is primarily used for scientific research and in manufacturing. It has been used at times to make dyes, other organic chemicals, and wood preservatives. It has also been used to make photographic developer, explosives [hence the Jimmy Walker reference], and pesticides.

DNP is considered an important environmental contaminant by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. It has been found in 61 of 1400 priority sites that need clean-up of industrial waste. It can enter the air from automobile exhaust, burning of certain industrial substances, and from reaction of nitrogen in air with other atmospheric chemicals. The major site of degradation is the soil, where microorganisms metabolize it.

All I can say is why would anyone want to ingest this substance?
 
I think too many jump the gun with DNP and consider it evil. Same with Synthol. You can really get bashed if you ask the wrong ?'s about it. Sure DNP can have many negative sides, but thats also whats mainly posted about it. If you dug up all the negative sides of test and Gh and only posted about them and their abuse, I bet people would view them on a whole diff level. I do however think that DNP and insulin should both be highly researched and very planned out before use. Even if you have one ? or are usure about one little thing, you should be an expert on it before using it.
 
2nd day in I puked blood! This is enough accurate info for me. I wouldn't use this unless necessary, and I don't know what would make it necessary. It's not worth it!
 
From wiki:
2,4-Dinitrophenol is a yellow, crystalline solid that has a sweet, musty odor. It sublimes when carefully heated and is volatile with steam. It is soluble in water (sparingly) (its crystalline sodium salts are also soluble in water), cold water (sparingly), ethyl acetate, acetone, chloroform, pyridine, carbon tetrachloride, toluene, alcohol, benzene, and aqueous alkaline solutions (Merck, 1989). It forms explosive salts with alkalies and ammonia, and emits toxic fumes of nitrogen oxides when heated to decomposition (Sax, 1989). It is incompatible with heavy metals and their compounds

Commercial DNP is primarily used for scientific research and in manufacturing. It has been used at times to make dyes, other organic chemicals, and wood preservatives. It has also been used to make photographic developer, explosives, and pesticides.

DNP is considered an important environmental contaminant by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. It has been found in 61 of 1400 priority sites that need clean-up of industrial waste. It can enter the air from automobile exhaust, burning of certain industrial substances, and from reaction of nitrogen in air with other atmospheric chemicals. The major site of degradation is the soil, where microorganisms metabolize it.

However the effects of DNP on anaerobic micro-organisms are still largely undetermined. Some studies suggest there is anaerobic toxicity due to a reduced methane production


You tell me how any of this sounds tasty?!?!
 
I'd like to have some qualified members comment on this. I don't know if associating DNP with explosives is accurate. I am no chemist. The information below seems to come directly from Wikipedia ( not always an accurate source.) I have also seen this information on other boards.

There is a chemist ( Michael Zumpano ) who is the OG in the world of gear, he was the brains behind Dan Duchanes books, he also went on to create Champion Nutrition. Mike says DNP is similar to Trinitrotoluene (TNT) but lacks a methyl group and one nitrogen on it's molecular structure, so ( in my opinion ) drawing inference or a parallel to DNP and explosives is liberal. It's like saying that although dianabol has a similar chemical structure to other steroids, all steroids are dianabol.

Now, this info came from MD's No Bull Radio. It had a three part interview with Zumpano and well worth listening to if you are interested in the history of the underground steroid movement.


http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1230/140/

Again I am no chemist and may be reading too much into these comments on explosives but I'd like to make things clear on this issue as this board has made it's name as the site for accurate information.

Respect,
Boo

Not trying to toot my own horn here, but I was able to find this info again on ATSDR's (Agency for toxic substances and disease registry)website. I believe (not 100% sure)DNP's weight loss properties were discovered when workers in dynamite factories were losing tremendous amounts of body weight by exposure to DNP through inhalation. Here is the link where I found the info below:

**broken link removed**


1.1 What are dinitrophenols?
Dinitrophenols are a class of synthetic organic chemicals that can exist in six individual forms. Dinitrophenols do not occur naturally in the environment. This profile mainly contains information on the most commercially important dinitrophenol, 2,4-dinitrophenol, which is called DNP in this document. Industries manufacture dinitrophenols. DNP is sold under many trade names, some are Caswell No. 392®, Sulfo Black B®, and Nitro Kleenup®. It is a yellow solid with no known smell. It dissolves slightly in water. DNP present in water and soil as a pollutant does not easily evaporate to air. The taste of DNP is not known. Commercial DNP is primarily used for making dyes, other organic chemicals, and wood preservatives. It is also used to make photographic developer, explosives, and insect control substances.

Most of what we know about how DNP can affect your health comes from old reports by doctors who prescribed DNP to patients who wanted to lose weight. A person could even buy DNP at a drug store without a prescription. DNP has been banned by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as a diet pill since 1938 because of the harmful effects that occurred in their patients, especially cataracts. Most of the ways that DNP can affect your health do not depend on how you are exposed or for how long. Some people who took DNP were harmed, while others were not, even though they took the same or higher doses. Although some people became ill after taking DNP for short periods, other people could take DNP for longer periods before becoming ill. This means that some people are more sensitive to the harmful effects of DNP than others. Brief or long-term exposure to DNP can cause increased basal metabolic rates (the rate that you use energy at complete rest); a feeling of warmth; sweating; weight loss; and increased heart rate, breathing rate, and body temperature. Some or all of these effects have occurred in some people after they swallowed doses as high as 46 milligrams of DNP per kilogram of their body weight per day (mg/kg/day) or doses as low as 1 mg/kg/day DNP. Some people who took doses of 2 mg/kg/day DNP or more for short or long periods experienced numbness in their hands and feet. Some people who swallowed doses of 6 mg DNP/kg/day for short periods or doses of 1 to 4 mg/kg/day DNP for long periods had a serious decrease of certain types of white blood cells that fight disease. Some people who swallowed doses of 1 to 4 mg/kg/day DNP for short or for long periods developed serious skin reactions that sometimes disappeared even while they were still being exposed. DNP caused cataracts in both eyes of some people who swallowed about 2 to 4 mg/kg/day DNP for short or long periods. This condition could lead to blindness in both eyes. If you breathe in, swallow, or have skin contact with large amounts of DNP, you may die. A few people have died after swallowing 3 to 46 mg/kg/day of DNP for short periods or doses as low as 1 to 4 mg/kg/day for long periods. Some workers who breathed in air containing 40 mg DNP per cubic meter of air (mg/m³) or more for long periods have also died.

The effects of DNP found in animals are similar to those in humans, except that the effects on feeling in the hands and feet, and on white blood cells were not found in animals. Cataracts also occurred in some types of animals that swallowed DNP.

We do not know whether DNP causes reproductive or birth defects or cancer in humans. One study in rats suggested that if DNP is swallowed during pregnancy or nursing, it may cause death in newborn babies. Two other studies in mice suggested that DNP did not have effects on the unborn infant. We do not know whether DNP causes cancer in animals.
 
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