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Only use it when my balls start to atrophy, 2x500 U.I per week for 4 or 5 weeks, then stop for other 4-5 weeks, and start all over again.
Prefer not to use it. I think it elevates my e2 and contributes to hypertension and water retention.
Buck,I would think it would depend on whether the person had primary vs secondary hypogonadism as to how valuable HCG could be.
Keep the HCG as an emergency measure when/if you need to stimulate your reproductive system and ( and NOT necessarily your HPTA) .
HCG added to your TRT usually means your TRT dosage is not where you want it to be.
Testoterone bioidentical or not will aromatize converting to E, your body will respond to that by also introducing the right dosage of DHT (your bodies natural ai. and SERM and PRIMARY androgen at that) to keep the E under control.
It is when these 3 are in balance that the real magic happens.
The use of HCG in a TRT protocol will disrupt this balance from occurring.
I have seen many guys that have cycled for years(not just stayed om in one form or another) that have recovered the ability to produce test, so they wouldn't have secondary hypogonadism. But I also think that the more parts of your body that you can keep functioning on it's own, is healthy. So I like HCG. As for TRT the only real reason to go that route is that you are unable to make your own T. What many guys call "TRT" is not really TRT. And it seems that many "cruise" on 200mg+ and think that Is TRT because they really just don't want to come off. I saw a study over 10 years ago that showed it would often take over 6 months to recover the ability to produce T. And many wont wait that long. So the only way to know if you can recover is to come off and take care of yourself for quite some time.Buck,
If you cycle steroids you develop secondary hypogonadism (this is my understanding) - as your body drops LH and FSH to lower testosterone from the elevated estrogen from exogenous test.
But isn't it true that if you stay on TRT for years (decades) you will develop primary hypogonadism?
I agree with keeping systems up and running. I myself at 44 had a test levels of 150. So when I went with TRT I never looked back and didn't add HCG. The more I educated myself them more I felt like my HPTA is a important system that should be up and running. Just added HCG starting on Friday. Going with 250IU 2 x a week. I can tell you that after 2 days of first shot the atrophy is gone. I actually have a little calmer demeanor. Not sure if its all a placebo effect but I m liking how im feeling.I have seen many guys that have cycled for years(not just stayed om in one form or another) that have recovered the ability to produce test, so they wouldn't have secondary hypogonadism. But I also think that the more parts of your body that you can keep functioning on it's own, is healthy. So I like HCG. As for TRT the only real reason to go that route is that you are unable to make your own T. What many guys call "TRT" is not really TRT. And it seems that many "cruise" on 200mg+ and think that Is TRT because they really just don't want to come off. I saw a study over 10 years ago that showed it would often take over 6 months to recover the ability to produce T. And many wont wait that long. So the only way to know if you can recover is to come off and take care of yourself for quite some time.
its not a placebo effect. HCG acts very quickly.I agree with keeping systems up and running. I myself at 44 had a test levels of 150. So when I went with TRT I never looked back and didn't add HCG. The more I educated myself them more I felt like my HPTA is a important system that should be up and running. Just added HCG starting on Friday. Going with 250IU 2 x a week. I can tell you that after 2 days of first shot the atrophy is gone. I actually have a little calmer demeanor. Not sure if its all a placebo effect but I m liking how im feeling.
I can't say I noticed feeling better. But others mentioned that I seemed a little more relaxed. And they didn't know what I was doing. And after I thought about it I would say they were right. But I didn't notice a big change.I agree with keeping systems up and running. I myself at 44 had a test levels of 150. So when I went with TRT I never looked back and didn't add HCG. The more I educated myself them more I felt like my HPTA is a important system that should be up and running. Just added HCG starting on Friday. Going with 250IU 2 x a week. I can tell you that after 2 days of first shot the atrophy is gone. I actually have a little calmer demeanor. Not sure if its all a placebo effect but I m liking how im feeling.
So what’s your opinion on runny HCG weekly even if on trt? I just started it for the first time and can tell you other than cosmetics with atrophy gone( first time full balls in 5 years) I feel a general better well being and calmer. The HPTA is a very complex system and from what I read gives a lot of benefits to the body.I would definaetly be a proponent of HCG use in a protocol to restore fertility (gonadotropic function).
Its unfortunate that this effect diminishes rapidly with frequent administration of this compound.
HCG is a tool in your arsenal with a very specific purpose... much greater than a cosmetic response. IMO
This is what I recommend:So what’s your opinion on runny HCG weekly even if on trt? I just started it for the first time and can tell you other than cosmetics with atrophy gone( first time full balls in 5 years) I feel a general better well being and calmer. The HPTA is a very complex system and from what I read gives a lot of benefits to the body.
Can t find specific info on pros and cons on the issue.
love to hear your opinion.