Does a 20mg of Dianabol kick start produce miracles?

[Pump2356]

Hey guys,

For my first cycle I really want to begin it with a bang and not wait until the test kicks in. I read that 4 tables is enough to produce dramatic results but I see a lot of people taking a substantial higher amount. My main concern is liver toxity and elevation of liver values. Has anyone used a low dosage( I guess you could say old school dosage) and got nice gains within the first few weeks and how were the liver values? If an individual was only going to do two small dosage dianabol kick starts in his lifetime is there a good chance his liver will be perfectly healthy later on in life ?

Thanks

stats:
5'5
172
4.5 lifting experience

 

[Mid-Life]

Need some Novaldex for the estrogen levels. Plus an OTC like Milk Thistle to keep the liver levels in check.

 

[Pump2356]

I have to get some more nolvadex anyways so that is why I'm just contemplating if I should get some dbol too since I would like to kick start but the liver toxicity and liver cancer I hear about scares the crap out of me.. I don't even drink alcohol except for communion so my liver is my
friend

For 100 dbols would it be best to take the weekends off or just run it for 3.4 weeks instead of the full 4 for the kick start?

Also, should I run 20mg of nolvadex throughout the cycle to be safe for estrogen getting out of hand (i'm taking test enanthate at 250mg every 5th day for 8-10 weeks also)

When do I start the Liver detox products?
I can get pretty much any dbol I want except russian, how are naps?

Sorry so many questions.
Thanks !!

 

[Mid-Life]

10mg of Novadex is sufficient when cycling a high level like D-Bol. Save they rest for your PCT.

Your trying to keep you Estrogen levels in check.

When taking D-Bol I've read anywhere from splitting it up (morning/night) to taking them all at once in the morning. Then by evening your liver levels are down.

 

[oldfella]

So...............it's your first cycle, you want to kickstart it and NOT wait till the test kicks in! What's your hurry? if you want some bang for your buck get some test prop and run 100mgs eod. It will kick in much faster than dbol. Not as hard on the liver, and you can run this for about three weeks. Your long ester test will have got to work by then. Why are you first timers in such a hurry for health probs?? You have only been lifting for 4.5yrs!!! You're still a noob! Give it some time, hell I would just run your test and pct and leave it at that. Be patient!! This is not a race to see who dies first.............quality muscle takes quality time......................you are not there yet!

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Need some Novaldex for the estrogen levels. Plus an OTC like Milk Thistle to keep the liver levels in check.

Nolvadex will NOT lower your estrogen levels... You guys have to start to learn more and talk less. In fact, Nolvadex just acts like a weak estrogen - a SERM. If you want to lower your estrogen than you'll need an AI like letro, adex, or aromasin.

There are so many errors in this thread it should be deleted...

i.e. you don't need to "kickstart" anything...ever (I have no idea where this started),
should have been posted in the beginners forum,
the correct use of orals, and
the correct use of SERMs and AIs

 

[StudHammer]

Even with the gear don't expect a miracle. Here's the real secret all the top pro's keep from the small folk:

to get BIG = lift big + sleep big + eat big + patience

That's it. Even when someone's on the goods they still have to bust their asses, eat, and sleep. Taking a shot or a tablet will not automatically inflate you 40 pounds.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Please understand, I'm not trying to come off hard or be a jerk or anything like that but good gravy marie!! You want to start your first cycle off with a bang? What the hell does that even mean?!? Like an infarction or something?

Just what do you think these chemicals are going to do for you that will give you a bang? You'll think BANG! when you look in the mirror and your back is covered with acne. You'll think BANG when you try to pee and all that comes out is a trickle followed by a white discharge from your swollen prostate, you'll think BANG! when you shampoo your hair and you realize you just shampoo'd two fistfuls of your own hair... I mean, this is starting to get rediculous.

I just got back from the gym and 5 or 6 high school kids were in there (they've been there for just a few months) and every one of them is beet red, sweating like an animal, looking like they are ready to explode. Moonfaces for everyone! Very sad. 17-18yr-old kids juiced to the GILLS!!! Strutting around all 170lbs with their new-found muscle. I should call their parents...

 

[K1]

The miracle comes from a proper diet, focussed training and dedication....the gear just provides bridges over the plateaus that your body reaches!!

 

[oldfella]

Please understand, I'm not trying to come off hard or be a jerk or anything like that but good gravy marie!! You want to start your first cycle off with a bang? What the hell does that even mean?!? Like an infarction or something?

Just what do you think these chemicals are going to do for you that will give you a bang? You'll think BANG! when you look in the mirror and your back is covered with acne. You'll think BANG when you try to pee and all that comes out is a trickle followed by a white discharge from your swollen prostate, you'll think BANG! when you shampoo your hair and you realize you just shampoo'd two fistfuls of your own hair... I mean, this is starting to get rediculous.

I just got back from the gym and 5 or 6 high school kids were in there (they've been there for just a few months) and every one of them is beet red, sweating like an animal, looking like they are ready to explode. Moonfaces for everyone! Very sad. 17-18yr-old kids juiced to the GILLS!!! Strutting around all 170lbs with their new-found muscle. I should call their parents...

I'm with you OUCH. I never understand this more is better mentality. I was going to start a thread on "WHY SUCH HIGH DOSES AND IMPATIENTCE"? I mean how do they all think this shit works??? Kickstart??? DBOL???? ANADROL????? Where does it stop?? I would be willing to bet some serious coin that If I could watch these guys train and then be the fly on the wall at home when they eat..........................It would be...............well, pathetic. I've seen people that think they are training hard!! Well you're not!! AAS is no shortcut, no magic pills, no magic jackin the beanstalk seeds!!! Most of us on here have built solid quality builds from hard, smart training, serious nutrition and I'll be damned if genetics has had a hand in my physique!!! I've earned evry fucking pound of muscle I have, the hard way. Why the hard way..............cause it's the only way!!! if you have not got the goods now, go ahead and juice to the eyeballs, yea sure you'll gain some size. When you stop juicing your gills out you will lose all that you have gained and look worse for it! As I said, this is not a race it's a marathon. This takes time and patientce. Hard work and dedication. Commitment and perserverence. C'mon guys, give your bodies a chance to really experience some good sloid growth, then look at gear to go the next level. This may fall on deaf ears, but if it gets through to only one, then it's a good thing.

SEE OUCH, I TOLD YOU I WAS NOT IN A GOOD MOOD !! Cheers buddy!

 

[littlemack]

Need to go back to the beginner's forum and read Dad's sticky on sane doses.

 

[km2000]

well said oth,

ya i never understaood what a "kiskstart" was?...

that is a true sign of lack of patience... when you cant wait a week for an ester to get active in the bloodstream?

 

[Pump2356]

Well I gained 70 pounds in 4 years so fair(yes I was only 100 pounds exactly entering college) which I thought fat or not is something for my height. I guess I should be eating more and training harder? I still am going up a pound every 3-4 weeks naturally since Im not walking all day in college anymore, but I want to go to wrestling camp soon and I need a lot of mass before I can condition. I don't even want to take steroids since I know I haven't hit a plateau yet but I know I can't gain 20 pounds in 2 months naturally

I meant like bang as in "kicks in quicker effects". I'm going to be doing a sane dose as it is, 250mg of test enanthate every 5 days for 8-10 weeks.

I'm going to scrap the dianabol since I just don't feel comfortable using it, is prop an option just for a few weeks to begin with for a quicker effect? or is it not worth it? I'm just thinking for a psychological edge.


I love this board though compared to others seriously since I get a great response from everyone, I don't care it is harsh mods. On some other boards I was told to do a 40 mg kickstart for dianabol, with deca at 400mg and 500mg of test...hmmm...

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Well I gained 70 pounds in 4 years so fair(yes I was only 100 pounds exactly entering college) which I thought fat or not is something for my height. I guess I should be eating more and training harder? I still am going up a pound every 3-4 weeks naturally since Im not walking all day in college anymore, but I want to go to wrestling camp soon and I need a lot of mass before I can condition. I don't even want to take steroids since I know I haven't hit a plateau yet but I know I can't gain 20 pounds in 2 months naturally

I meant like bang as in "kicks in quicker effects". I'm going to be doing a sane dose as it is, 250mg of test enanthate every 5 days for 8-10 weeks.

I'm going to scrap the dianabol since I just don't feel comfortable using it, is prop an option just for a few weeks to begin with for a quicker effect? or is it not worth it? I'm just thinking for a psychological edge.


I love this board though compared to others seriously since I get a great response from everyone, I don't care it is harsh mods. On some other boards I was told to do a 40 mg kickstart for dianabol, with deca at 400mg and 500mg of test...hmmm...

We weren't busting your kajones. Scrap the orals. I did 400mg ew for my first cycle, nothing else. Nothing earth-shattering, but still my favorite cycle ever. Start slow and I have to repeat my mantra again: discuss with your doctor or a doctor somewhere. Even if you have to pay cash. Be safe.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I'm with you OUCH. I never understand this more is better mentality. I was going to start a thread on "WHY SUCH HIGH DOSES AND IMPATIENTCE"?

It's that damned MTV and reality shows I tell ya! Got our kids all messed up

 

[Pump2356]

I think evey 5th day would come out to an average of 325-350ish a week...
I'll be using either German Remedies( i currently have them ) or Norma enanthate so everything should be spot on dose wise.

Is running prop like oldfella said a good idea for the first 3 weeks at even 50mg every other day or even every 3rd day since its fast acting?


Thanks!

 

[Big Danny]

Excelent posts guys!!! Bump

 

[oldfella]

I think evey 5th day would come out to an average of 325-350ish a week...
I'll be using either German Remedies( i currently have them ) or Norma enanthate so everything should be spot on dose wise.

Is running prop like oldfella said a good idea for the first 3 weeks at even 50mg every other day or even every 3rd day since its fast acting?
Thanks!

You will notice it kick in the next day! run it at 50mg eod and you'll be fine. Give it two weeks and then let the other ester take over. I went off because I see this so much........dbol this and anadrol that. This stuff is harsh. A lot will say " but I take 100mg of dbol a day and I have no sides". Yet! beware the passage of time, it will tell a tale of woe. these orals are harder on your organs than injectable. Much harder. Keep your doses at sane levels guys and make slow steady progress. Let the body adapt to getting bigger at a reasonable rate. You stand to keep much more of your hard earned gains. I'm a much mellower oldfella after a good back session.

 

[rl3355]

well said guys...the faster you get it the sooner you'll lose it. Pump, hopefully you'll listen to what the guys are telling you...the've forgotten more than you know and they just want to see you do it the right way. Good luck.

 

[Mid-Life]

Nolvadex will NOT lower your estrogen levels... You guys have to start to learn more and talk less. In fact, Nolvadex just acts like a weak estrogen - a SERM. If you want to lower your estrogen than you'll need an AI like letro, adex, or aromasin.

There are so many errors in this thread it should be deleted...

i.e. you don't need to "kickstart" anything...ever (I have no idea where this started),
should have been posted in the beginners forum,
the correct use of orals, and
the correct use of SERMs and AIs

Sorry pal. I was trying to be brief. What you said is exactly true. I'm old timer so you'll have to pardon me.