EQ and women..........did a lot of HW on this need more opinions.,.

[Ivan]

Guys AND gals (HBG speak up anytime)

I have recently been reading some info on how women can take EQ with relative safety as far as virilization....so I am thinking of getting Nikki (my girl) a cylce of Var, EQ, and clen put together when she is ready AKA ---- diet, training etc....she is close to being ready ---- she has cycled before, but winni pushed the envelope on her for sides.....

I would like to know of safe doses for EQ and women.....

She loved when she was on, LOTS of energy, extremely horny, and her bf% went down, yet she put on 10 pounds....this was a short 6 week cycle of me alternating the AAS use. We found that Var was for her and to stay clear away from winni.

ALSO ---- she loved not having her periods and cramps...my little baby gets cramps real bad.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Steak Helmet]

IVAN,

get a hold of KEN'S woman...she is pretty knowledgable on women and AAS.

 

[Paul Bunyan]

You'd be surprised at her results when taking 25mg prop and 50mg eq every 5th day. Var is also a good choice. Winny sucks for most women.

PB

 

[jawbreakerkid]

I would think primobolan would be a better bet than EQ for minimizing sides.

 

[mike man]

My girl

From the experience that my girl has been thru, first off let m tell you low dose cycles produce the best gains with minimum sides for women.
My girl also had some issues with winny. Hair loss, emotional wreck, and short temper to name a few.
I've found that EQ is an excellent chooice for her. The only bad side she had noticed about EQ is some feminine dryness down there. Nothing a little KY didn't fix. Also some almost unoticable fine hair growth around her ariolas (nipple area) and under her chin/neck area. It was something only my girl would notice on herself, but I wanted to mention.
The doses I would recommend if you're running Var (10mgs/day)and clen is about 100mg/week EQ divided into 2 shots per week.
You you be quite pleased with the results you see when combined with a good diet.
I've done alot of research and from her experimentation we've learned alot.
Ask me anything and I'll try to help.

 

[Ivan]

Re: My girl

From the experience that my girl has been thru, first off let m tell you low dose cycles produce the best gains with minimum sides for women.
My girl also had some issues with winny. Hair loss, emotional wreck, and short temper to name a few.
I've found that EQ is an excellent chooice for her. The only bad side she had noticed about EQ is some feminine dryness down there. Nothing a little KY didn't fix. Also some almost unoticable fine hair growth around her ariolas (nipple area) and under her chin/neck area. It was something only my girl would notice on herself, but I wanted to mention.
The doses I would recommend if you're running Var (10mgs/day)and clen is about 100mg/week EQ divided into 2 shots per week.
You you be quite pleased with the results you see when combined with a good diet.
I've done alot of research and from her experimentation we've learned alot.
Ask me anything and I'll try to help.

HEY MAN --- THANKS A LOT!!! Feminine dryness eh? Not sure I like that part of it, but we shall see...
PS --- so 50mg twice a week for the EQ?

 

[mike man]

Ivan

Yep exactly my man. 50mg 2 times a week. My girl liked doing her shots on Mon and Thurs.
She always wanted me to give them to her, so afterward I'd give her a little shot of my own test! HEHEHE.
Later on if your girl wants to get more experimental, I can go into greater detail of some of the cycles (bulking and cutting for show) that we've worked with on my girl.

 

[Ivan]

Sweet

My girl is interested in a pic of your wife, ( I swear it is her not me -- not trying to sound rude ya know... ) and also would like to chat w/her etc... Are there already pics of her up here at Promo? Does she compete?

 

[Iabadman]

Ivan

Please reconsider incouraging Nikki to use gear . Believe me on this one . You are playing with fire here and I will explain why. First , I have dated [ or fucked ] quite a few girls that used gear [girls on gear are better in bed than any porn star that I have been with ]and I dated a girl for 5 and half years that I over saw her complete regimine during that time. And my expirence is that you are playing with fire for no good reason. When you enter male hormones or anabolics into a female , you are disrupting a womans whole natural hormonal balance. You are fucking with their emotional well being big time. I have seen some crazy things happen to women and couples when it comes to gear use . It changes them sexually [ which I enjoyed ] but if your girl starts thinking more like a dude , don't be suprised when she starts nailing someone else when you are not around.[ I have seen this happen to many] Also god forbid she get sides , most woman never recover from that shit emotionally . And you and Nikki are known to fight sometimes. Do you really think that it wise to risk playing with her emotions like that . For what? Would you put female hormones into your body? I hope not . Why would you help your chick put male hormones into hers? I have seen gear hurt alot of women and destroy quite a few relationships along the way. You know that I care about you Ivan , you know that I am just trying to get you to think. I know that you love Nikki an aweful lot.Unless she has big time genetics and wants to compete with the very best, it doesn't make much sense to play with fire . [ this goes for most guys as well] Hopefully ,you will take my advice, but knowing your stuborn ass you you probally won't .LOL! So hear goes , go with what Mike Mann recomended .[ 10 mgs Anavar ED an 100 mgs Eq [ 50 2x week] . 100 mcgs clen for 2 weeks, then switch to ECA for 2 weeks . If you really want bodycompistion changes, at least 6 months of 2 - 4 ius of Gh should be added to this as well as playing with some T-3 varying the dose from 12.5 to 75 mcgs and if a show is near, add 20-40 mgs nolvadex and 50 mgs of W-V 2x week.If she starts to hold water use some aldactone. My ex - was a beautiful girl with awesome genetics, too bad I got popped before she could show the world the talent that she pocessed.She would have been something. But the gear fucked her up and changed her . It really brought out her insecurity and changed her way of thinking. I truely regret encouraging her, in retrospect I wish I had never helped pursue that advenue what so ever . I am friends with her to this day and she still isn't the same girl that I dated for the first few years before gear. Drugs are different for everyone . I have seen some women do just fine and maintain happy relationships along the way[ or so it appeared] , but in all honestly most have ended up quite fucked up . Just be careful Ivan , you are playing with fire here bro, with someone that you love a whole hell of alot.Do me a favor just think about what I said .......that is alll........good luck ....I hope the two of you make a wise choice.

 

[never]

You'd be surprised at her results when taking 25mg prop and 50mg eq every 5th day. Var is also a good choice. Winny sucks for most women.

PB

give your girl prop and she'll be your boyfriend

 

[Ivan]

IBM

Thanks for the post --- will do LOTS of thinking.......

BTW --- I for one am blowing the fuck up. I think when they moved me to Sam Backer my body just said ---"whoa.... gotta be 240 to play here" or something! I am in the 220's now and gaining FAST.

 

[mike man]

Ivan

I do agree for the most part about what Iabadman said, but I was trying to be pretty conservative and not suggest too many things on the mix.
It does effect them quite a bit on the emotional level for most women. If you can assure her at just about every passing moment of doubt she might have (in your relationship and anything else she has insecurities about) then it may not be a hard trip for the both of you.
Notice I said BOTH of you! Her actual thinking process can change to some extent while she is on. It also varies from drug to drug about how much it can affect her. The lower and shorter the protocol, the less noticable it is.
As for the t3 use, as I've stated in other threads about womens use of it, I would not recommend it at all. Only the truely hardcore women BB's should even consider it.
Women just cannot readjust very well after t3 use. My girl had some major rebound after just a moderate dose schedule of no more than 75mcgs per day. Use her diet instead, don't mess with the t3.
As for the GH, a very good addition to any womens arsenal. No need to go over 2ius per day though IMO for just fat loss. My girl uses that with quite good results.
I'll pm you about something your girl can look at.

 

[Ivan]

Thank you

And ya, I knew T-3 was a bad idea --- hell I hate the shit too, so none in this house!

 

[Iabadman]

Actually I have worked with quite a few national level figure and fitness chicks and used to bang a former NPC USA Champ and T- 3 doesn't fuck women up at all if you use it correctly . And it really complemts the GH and Clen quiete nicely . If you keep the the dose low and play with the dose daily [ including days off along the way ] . The problem is that most chicks over do thermos peroid and when you do the with thyroid type drugs you run into problems . You don't get shut down and rebound problems if you keep the dosages low and if you take days off along the way . I used to get blood work done on my girls on the time and we never had a single case of rebound unless the girl was a binge eater . Most girls that I have seen have problems with T- 3 were just taking 25 - 100 mcgs/day of the stuff weeks at a time . You can not get away with doing this . We always did things like 12.5 mcgs , 25 mcgs , off , 50 mcgs, 12.5 mcgs , 12.5 mcgs , 75 mcgs , off, off , 25 mcgs , ect.......it always worked great and I never I had a girl shut down at all. When the dose is consistant for those peroids of time that is when your body shuts down it's own thyroid production. [ just like with test in a guy ] Michael Mooney the Aids steroid guru taught me this technique and it always worked well. You guys can by pass the stuff, but I thought I would share my opinion and expirence because T-3 does work great in ladies [ if you use use it right ] and it really complents the GH.[ because gh affects thyroid levels a great deal] Also womens thyroids start to slow down in quick as 2 weeks on a hard diet [ where men ususally don't start to fade until 3 to 6 weeks ] . I actually saw this in blood all the time and the T-3 seemed to keep them moving and progressing nicely without reaching sticking points during thier diets. You guys can believe me or not ,but I wouldn't have any girl know run shit without T-3 IMO[ especially if they were going to use some GH] . I have just seen too many goods results with the stuff providing that it was used in the manner that I described. That is my 2 cents , but Mike Mann and Ivan to say that the stuff isn't effective is just not accurate if used in the manner that I have stated .Many top girls have used the method described above with great success and zero problems over the last decade .....

 

[Ivan]

Very informative post IBM

I know women and men that swear by T3 --- I just think it is so damn catabolic... I even used it myself once and said to myself I would only do it again if I was going to run GH/slin/test/ combo --- -I knew T3 and GH complimented each other-

I am interested in it know however, as the doses you mentioned seem a lot more reasonable for a women ---- IBM; you would be amazed at what a lot of "gurus" say about T3 doses for both men and women.... WAY over the dose amount that you mentioned.


On another note IBM.......since being moved to Sam backer from Strong safety, I am having to learn so much more about the game, because as a safety I would just read the tackles to tell me what the play is, but now I have to anticipate so much more, so I am learning offensive formations and what to look for, so I have a good idea of what is coming...

Football is a lot more mental than most realize.... But then again -- the game is so basic and simple....yet pretty involuted when you are in the trenches.

 

[mike man]

Iabadman

I didn't intend for my post to sound as though t3 didn't work. Heck, I use it myself when getting ready for contest time.
It's just that without explaining (like you did in your later post) almost exactly how to dose it, (especially for women) then it is not worth just throwing in there hoping it will do its magic.
I've spoke to various Drs. (anti aging, general MDs, and endos)about t3 use in women and they have all recommended against t3 use without the full bloodwork before and after. (like you did with the girls you were working with. Good job bro!)
I just try to keep things simple and basic for most people so that they don't get confused or try everything at once.
You know the mentality, "More must be better or longer must be better!" lol.
Listen to the many ideas out there Ivan, and always put your (or her) health at the forefront.
Ivan, you get the PM I sent?

 

[Ivan]

Yep

I got it and THANKS bro, that board will be a good "home" for HER. It was just what she needed.

 

[Iabadman]

Ivan

I am glad to hear that your training is going well and that you are still playing ball. I think if you can maintain that 4.6 40 and get up to 230 plus I think you will have a great season. Have Nikki video tape you during all of your games . If you have a good season , I definately think you should try out for arena ball next year.[ I can hook that up for you . Also the AFL and the CFl might be options. You are a heck of an athlete Ivan , and you have no fear if your video tapes show some good instincts I think I might be able to find you some work my friend. And one or two good seasons at that level you may get a look by the NFL. I have a feeling that you are going to be an insane special teams player and those guys can always get work .Good luck and take good care of your girl.

Mike man , I love ya bro . You are a class guy with so much good info to share.Thabks for looking out for my my Ivan. Did you refer his chick to chemical muscle? [ great chick site huh?] I hope everything is good for you my man . Take care of yourself.

 

[mike man]

the site

No, it was femininemuscle.com
My girl really likes it and it has been very helpful for her.
You know how those women are, they need a "support group" for just about everything they do. LOL.
I am not as sympathetic on an emotional level as she sometimes wants, so it works out great for her to get the feedback from other girls going thru similar situations.

 

[xcelbeyond]

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