Full belly muscles

[bigguns078]

I had the opportunity to chat with a pro about muscle development.. As far as training is concerned, he told me that full bellied muscles are best achieved by

1. Lifting very heavy weight combined with intense facia stretching to accumulate growth of muscle

2. Then lifiting moderately heavy weight about 50-60% of max weight.. to get intense muscle contractions to "develop and shape new muscle..

He said the intense contractions will help give that "popped out" look and shape the muscle nicely..

But ultimately genetics plays biggest role..

What do other people think??

 

[Dad]

I had the opportunity to chat with a pro about muscle development.. As far as training is concerned, he told me that full bellied muscles are best achieved by

1. Lifting very heavy weight combined with intense facia stretching to accumulate growth of muscle

2. Then lifiting moderately heavy weight about 50-60% of max weight.. to get intense muscle contractions to "develop and shape new muscle..

He said the intense contractions will help give that "popped out" look and shape the muscle nicely..

But ultimately genetics plays biggest role..

What do other people think??

Bullshit.

Yuo're born with the shape and length of muscle bellies, so yes, genetics is all. Yuo can change this with Syntherol, but even that is not long to make a muscle longer and a tendon shorter. If yuo've got high lats, or high calves, or high biceps where the muscle is shorter and then tendon longer, that's not going to change to matter what training yuo do.

Pros are pros because of genetics - period. This is, of course, not a popular sentiment with people on the boards. For the most part they believe that anyone has the potential to be a pro if they only figure out the right combination of training, diet, and drugs - with special emphasis, always, on drugs. Don't believe me? Look at member avatars and ask yuorself how many of those people look even close to national or pro level. And most of them have done plenty of "running" shit.

And for the cat who said he "didn't agree with hardly anything I write," see how this one works for ya.'

 

[Dangkolo]

Bullshit.

Yuo're born with the shape and length of muscle bellies, so yes, genetics is all. Yuo can change this with Syntherol, but even that is not long to make a muscle longer and a tendon shorter. If yuo've got high lats, or high calves, or high biceps where the muscle is shorter and then tendon longer, that's not going to change to matter what training yuo do.

Pros are pros because of genetics - period. This is, of course, not a popular sentiment with people on the boards. For the most part they believe that anyone has the potential to be a pro if they only figure out the right combination of training, diet, and drugs - with special emphasis, always, on drugs. Don't believe me? Look at member avatars and ask yuorself how many of those people look even close to national or pro level. And most of them have done plenty of "running" shit.

And for the cat who said he "didn't agree with hardly anything I write," see how this one works for ya.'

Well said! What more can you say, People don't want to listen when you say it's genetics.........

 

[gordo14]

What about....

Things like scapula popping, and shoulder girdle manipulation, or even rib cage expansion. Isn't this a form of changing your body beyond what genetics has given you.
By no means am i trying to be disrespectful, or rub people the wrong way. Just starting a good discussion.

 

[fr8lnr01]

In a light contraction your muscles will contract very hard on the distal ends. As you continue to contract you will notice that the contracture in the belly will begin to become harder and fuller. At full contracture the entire muscle will be contracted. If you begin to relax the muscle you will notice that the belly relaxes much earlier than the ends.

Muscles contract as actin and myosin filaments ratchet across each other. The contraction and relaxation allow for the stretching and damaging of the filaments and the bodies desire to increase muscle tissue. Consider the idea of not doing full-range-of-motion exercises; a number of the filaments will either never fully contract or never fully relax.

I watch people at the gym all of the time doing exercises with limited range of motion. I always take notice of how poorly developed their muscles are. The ends are generally thin but the bellies are usually full, this is due to their failure to complete the excercises with full range of motion.

Can you change the length of the belly? ...sure you can. Just do your exercises with full range of motion. Do you want to just work on the peak? ...go ahead and do partial contractions near the point of complete tetanus.

Go ahead and experiment with this....

Go do 21's and see where you feel the most fatigue.

The first 50 degrees you will feel it on the distal end.

The second 50 you will feel it in the belly but not really in the peak and direct center of the muscle. The ends do not get so fatigued because they are pretty comfortable just staying contracted and peak is barely doing any work.

The last 50 are just as bad as the first 50 and the belly swells and pulses and the peak feels like it is going to pop because the majority of the weight is being moved by the millions of filaments located in the belly that are now doing 100% of the work of moving the weight that short distance. The other filaments are all still contracted completely and do not generate as much pain because they are not really doing anything more than just staying contracted.

If you are looking to develop full bodied muscles then do it with full range of motion.

 

[Dad]

In a light contraction your muscles will contract very hard on the distal ends. As you continue to contract you will notice that the contracture in the belly will begin to become harder and fuller. At full contracture the entire muscle will be contracted. If you begin to relax the muscle you will notice that the belly relaxes much earlier than the ends.

Muscles contract as actin and myosin filaments ratchet across each other. The contraction and relaxation allow for the stretching and damaging of the filaments and the bodies desire to increase muscle tissue. Consider the idea of not doing full-range-of-motion exercises; a number of the filaments will either never fully contract or never fully relax.

I watch people at the gym all of the time doing exercises with limited range of motion. I always take notice of how poorly developed their muscles are. The ends are generally thin but the bellies are usually full, this is due to their failure to complete the excercises with full range of motion.

Can you change the length of the belly? ...sure you can. Just do your exercises with full range of motion. Do you want to just work on the peak? ...go ahead and do partial contractions near the point of complete tetanus.

Go ahead and experiment with this....

Go do 21's and see where you feel the most fatigue.

The first 50 degrees you will feel it on the distal end.

The second 50 you will feel it in the belly but not really in the peak and direct center of the muscle. The ends do not get so fatigued because they are pretty comfortable just staying contracted and peak is barely doing any work.

The last 50 are just as bad as the first 50 and the belly swells and pulses and the peak feels like it is going to pop because the majority of the weight is being moved by the millions of filaments located in the belly that are now doing 100% of the work of moving the weight that short distance. The other filaments are all still contracted completely and do not generate as much pain because they are not really doing anything more than just staying contracted.

If you are looking to develop full bodied muscles then do it with full range of motion.

You will not change the length of muscle bellies on the tendon.

I will agree with doing full-range exercise as there is some data to suggest that strength is specific to joint angle, and that functional strengtrh shuold be developed through a full a range of motion as possible. Range of motion can be increased, but this is a neural response.

I have seen no data that supports the idea of "expanding" the rib cage by doing things such as pullovers in physically-mature individuals.

 

[pesty4077]

You will not change the length of muscle bellies on the tendon.

I will agree with doing full-range exercise as there is some data to suggest that strength is specific to joint angle, and that functional strengtrh shuold be developed through a full a range of motion as possible. Range of motion can be increased, but this is a neural response.

I have seen no data that supports the idea of "expanding" the rib cage by doing things such as pullovers in physically-mature individuals.

That is what I like about you Dad, you are a no nonsense guy, yes it is genectics. That does not mean you can't go to your full potential with more effort in your life and that means everything you do. By the way, I do pullovers in my workouts, not to expand the ribcage, but to stretch out my chest after a good workout.

 

[fr8lnr01]

It is really a matter of semantics. Does it physically decrease the length of the tendon? ...NO. Does it increase the size of the belly and possibly make it longer? ...YES. The underdeveloped muscle at the end of the muscle belly will begin to increase in size, thus creating a larger fuller belly.

 

[zephyr22]

Okay.....I disagree

A muscles shape is totally genetic. Also a muscle fully contracts or it does not. Range of motion has nothing to do with muscle size or shape. Trust me been through years of schooling for medicine so I have some decent amount of knowledge. Progressive resistance is the key as well as food rest and drugs. I too believe in fascial stretching to make a muscle larger. The thing is genetics is a relative term. You also have genetic potential for drug induced muscle as well. This is why some people just gain muscle without trying too hard. Sort of like Paul Dillett did. Also some peoples bodies just can not handle large doses of drugs either. Thus causing hypertension, Liver issues, Adrenal isufficeincy etc.... Some people can takehuge doses of whatever with no problems. So these are genetic factors as well. Just my opinion with some scientific facts as well.

 

[zephyr22]

Actually...

The thing is if you max out your muscular size in all muscle groups then most poeple look pretty darn good. Look at Dorian Yates for example. Purely built the most muscle he could. Now was it the prettiest shape... That could be argued ( I think he had good shape before his bicep tear), but he was developed in every muscle to the max it could be and he kicked a lot of ass. Big fan of his by the way. But changing shape near origin or insertion can really only be done with syntherol. If the muscle grows the whole muscle grows from origin and insertion.

 

[AN3M4L]

Just like you can't grow taller by stretching your arms in the air, you can't get full muscle belly's by doing certain exercises.

 

[machola]

A muscles shape is totally genetic. Also a muscle fully contracts or it does not. Range of motion has nothing to do with muscle size or shape.

i agree

 

[Fa Seeshus]

in some cases the length of the muscle is an illusion. i had "short" biceps and "high" calves. i then worked to develop my brachailis and soleus. now people say i have "long" muscle bellies in my calves and biceps. go figure.

a good example of this is ronnie coleman's arm. his brachialis is so beast it pops his way bicep way up.

 

[NorthOf60]

Thumbs up

Thanks for the Good info.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

While I don't doubt your accomplishments,
I think that a large, clear, well lit, photograph
of yourself would be beneficial in illustrating
what you are talking about.

And while before and after photos would have
been ideal, I myself, would settle for a few "after"
photos showing this "illusion".

Thank you.

dang... i'll hit you up monday when the training partner can take a pic. sent you a pm though.

 

[Big A]

What the opriginal poster is talking about is the 'popping' look of muscles that some pros get. These are the pros where they look 'normal' unflexed and then they explode when they flex. As opposed to the ones that look enormous just standing there yet when they pose nothing happens.

All this is directly related to the fascias flexibility. You will find that all the pros that have 'popping' muscles are very flexible (ie. Flex Wheeler) and the ones that don't pop are very unflexible ('muscle bound').

 

[Big Bapper]

Could static holds also be used along with stretching to help create this effect BigA.

 

[tenny]

big A nailed it right there

 

[zephyr22]

So very true....Big A

I have seen some real Big dudes in the gym and yet when they hit poses the muscles do not appear to change. A good example is Flex like you said. His muscles "popped" when he posed. I think maintaining flexibility is huge. Once again genitics plays a role in that. However with stretching, and severe stretching like in DC type stretches the fascial sheath dose change.....Also adding some syntherol helps as well. I used the syntherol protocol you outlined before big A but just slightly decreased the volume. Im a very small person 5'5'' and I knew it would be too much volume. It worked wonders for fascial stretching. The key is to not stop hitting arms any less. Keep pushing till teh arms get such a huge pump it feels like it is splitting. Yeah, worked wonders. Once all the swelling (edema) resolved from the frequent injections my arms looked larger because I gained 1inch on the protocol with just bis. I retained a little over a quarter inch of permanent size which I consider pretty darn good.