gh while clean

bellicose · Apr 25, 2009

nevermind

Jarconis · Apr 25, 2009

well, gh really isnt anabolic unless you add insulin, but thats a big step and its really up to you if you want to pursue that.

jm425 · Apr 25, 2009

No point in running that high a dose when your clean even if you run slin with your gh. Test is what helps enhance/mature new muscle cells caused from hyperplasia from the mgf that is produced when gh and slin are used in conjunction.

myosin · Apr 27, 2009

At what dose is insulin needed?

Jarconis said:
well, gh really isnt anabolic unless you add insulin, but thats a big step and its really up to you if you want to pursue that.

Hypothetically, if someone were on a low dose TC, and decided to add in 2iu hGH/day for health benefits, is insulin needed at this dose? What if the person was on a low-carb diet trying to control their insulin level?

jm425 · Apr 27, 2009

myosin said:
Hypothetically, if someone were on a low dose TC, and decided to add in 2iu hGH/day for health benefits, is insulin needed at this dose? What if the person was on a low-carb diet trying to control their insulin level?

2ius a day with slin isn't going to really do anything in terms of muscle hyperplasia. You need a higher dose of gh to accomplish that with the slin. 2ius a day is for overall health benefits and fat loss and slin is not needed.

bellicose · Apr 28, 2009

well, i'm gonna give it a go and let you guys know how it works out. 20iu eod should do the trick i think

NuKKLeHeaD · Apr 28, 2009

bellicose said:
well, i'm gonna give it a go and let you guys know how it works out. 20iu eod should do the trick i think

whew...you must be a millionaire or somthing

good luck with that, and let us know how it works out for you, cause i will be going into PCT in a few weeks.

bellicose · May 27, 2009

1 month in and working great, never will do another pct without gh. No loss in strength or weight so far, and actually lost some bf.
Tomorrow i add in slin to pack on some weight

mikeyt869 · May 27, 2009

thats good to hear thankyou for keeping us updated.

ridge11 · May 27, 2009

I tried using gh(from 2.5iu to 10iu/day) while "off", and was very dissappointed with the results. I tried all different protocols for the past 7 months after finding out i was hypogonadic, but none worked. Finally i decided to go on hrt and have noticed significant gains after only 6 weeks at 100mg/week. From my experience $10 worth of test has given me better results than $3500 worth of gh.

jm425 · May 28, 2009

ridge11 said:
I tried using gh(from 2.5iu to 10iu/day) while "off", and was very dissappointed with the results. I tried all different protocols for the past 7 months after finding out i was hypogonadic, but none worked. Finally i decided to go on hrt and have noticed significant gains after only 6 weeks at 100mg/week. From my experience $10 worth of test has given me better results than $3500 worth of gh.

If you were expecting big gains from gh within a short period of time, then you're going to be disappointed. However, if you incorporate slin and run some test with gh(high dose), then that's a different story.

ridge11 · May 28, 2009

jm425 said:
If you were expecting big gains from gh within a short period of time, then you're going to be disappointed. However, if you incorporate slin and run some test with gh(high dose), then that's a different story.

I ran it with plenty of slin and test levels ranging from 160-280. Felt got bigger with slin use, but that went away when it was discontinued.

ridge11 · May 28, 2009

jm425 said:
If you were expecting big gains from gh within a short period of time, then you're going to be disappointed. However, if you incorporate slin and run some test with gh(high dose), then that's a different story.

Also, 7 months is a decent amount of time. And this gentleman said he is going to be "clean" while running the gh.

jm425 · May 28, 2009

ridge11 said:
Also, 7 months is a decent amount of time. And this gentleman said he is going to be "clean" while running the gh.

I'm surprised. Many people respond well to test+gh+slin. Maybe your not one of them.

DatBtrue · May 29, 2009

ridge11 said:
Also, 7 months is a decent amount of time. And this gentleman said he is going to be "clean" while running the gh.

I apologize for not being able to be really specific because I read through a lot of studies and parts of studies and just like everybody else I have selective perception, meaning I primarily focus on what I am currently interested in.

Anyway one study was discussing GH binding protein & prolactin binding protein as it relates to the amount of free GH. They mentioned that some people aren't all that responsive to GH no matter what because they have higher levels of binding protein.

It wasn't something abnormal or something to be concerned about health-wise. Who knows it may even contribute to longevity...

...but it seemed to be genetic.

Again I read through and only got a sense of it but I remember thinking at the time "that might be why some guys don't get the same results w/ GH".

So Ridge thanks for posting up.

I also very much like to have JM's viewpoint around.

Belli it is cool that you experimented your own way & then reported back because your experience just adds to database of knowledge.

You guys make this forum enjoyable and very informative...

bellicose · May 29, 2009

3rd day on lantus insulin, up to 30units. Constantly pumped, always hungry, leaner than i've been in a while. Going to cut the gh down to 20iu every 3rd day. Will run the lantus till i run out in 3 weeks
Honestly feel like i'm still "on" but without the androgen kick, like a 800mg week dose of deca or something similar

I can see how the so called "naturals" do it now

bellicose · May 29, 2009

DatBtrue said:
Belli it is cool that you experimented your own way & then reported back because your experience just adds to database of knowledge.
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going off some good info i read over at ukiron

ridge11 · May 29, 2009

jm425 said:
I'm surprised. Many people respond well to test+gh+slin. Maybe your not one of them.

I didn't run test+gh+slin. I ran gh+slin. My natural test was ranging from 160-280(reference range 400-1100). I suspect this is why it was not effective for me. Once a started a mere 100mg/week of test + 4iu gh my strength went way up. So I say test is a must.

jm425 · May 30, 2009

ridge11 said:
I didn't run test+gh+slin. I ran gh+slin. My natural test was ranging from 160-280(reference range 400-1100). I suspect this is why it was not effective for me. Once a started a mere 100mg/week of test + 4iu gh my strength went way up. So I say test is a must.

Yes, test is a must to add with gh+slin for better gains. It's synergistic and helps pack on lean muscle mass rather quickly for many.

ridge11 · May 30, 2009

Is it a possibility that I actually induced some hyperplasia during the past 7 months and the new cells simply weren't able to mature due to the fact that I had such low test levels during the past 7 months? And if this were the case then I could probably expect some huge gains during my first blast, after a baseline dose is established?