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Going off T4, need advice

GoneForever

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Been on 100mcg T4 for about 12weeks as of today. I've run numerous T3cycles in the past, longest being 6weeks on/6off and my thyroid has always recovered. I've got about another 8weeks left on my gh/aas cycle, but think that may be too long to stay on T4. My ? is, I know that with T3 its very improtant to taper down, but since T4 has a longer half life(2weeks I think) should I just stop it now, or maybe run 50mcg for a week then 25mcg for a week and then quit? Also other than gugglesterone's what else should I take to optimize my thyroid returning to normal as fast as possible. I realize it may still be a tad low since i'll still be on GH, but what should I do to maximize recovery? Thanks
 
You should Taper OFF any type of thyroid, T4 being no different! I would also never stay on any Thyroid for longer than 10 weeks, so "coming off" is a smart move.

JD~
 
Its just a myth, Ive been on T3 for over 4 months, I have a friend thats done it for 9 months and has never had a problem. I dont know of anybody to have this so called permanent thyroid shutdown, either at the gym or on the forums. Dont fall for the scare stories, you read in bulshit magazines sponsored by muscletech.
 
Taper. Play it safe.
 
...I dont know of anybody to have this so called permanent thyroid shutdown, either at the gym or on the forums...

That's what i know too.

Maybe STEEDA69 has more data and can reveal us where are these guy with destroyed thyroids hidden. :rolleyes:

A VERY dumbass T3 user (the MASTER dumbass i mean :D ) is very able to destroy his health (and thyroid) with a very high dose of more than 250 mcgs T3 daily for weeks, suffer "thyroid storm" and possibly destroy his health but this seems to be very dificult to reach (support sides for weeks while thyroid is destroyed) cause nobody knows in real life (untill now) this "individual".
 
Wouldnt it suck to be the first though? I mean why push 10-12 weeks of t3 usage?? Cardio, Diet, Will Power, GH and Test can get it done...

I havent heard of anyone getting their thyroid shut down, but i think it would suck to be that guy...
 
I know this...you can take T3 25mcg ED for 3wks or even 1 yr and you can completely come off of your T3 cycle and your thyroid will minutly suppressed....the only thing you can do is to take ECA stack along with some OTC weightloss supps to aid in helping you to NOT gaining the fat back....

So if you have been cruising at 25mcg for a week now you can shut down without a problem..

My ex takes 170mcg of T4 daily and thats doctor prescribed....(levothyroxine) ...IMO is not worth a damn

So for T3 the physicians prescribe 20mcgs/ED and for T4 the physicians prescribe 160+/ED

to me thats a drastic diffrence....by the way dont quote me on this ...T4 was developed not to shutdown any animals thyroid system but devised to aid the thyroid in production of the natural T3..in turn the body takes the T4 and converts over to the amount that is only needed by the body to T3...

It wouldnt hurt yall to read the beginners guide to T3 and the modern athelete
 
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First off you should have beginning blood work to base off what the ending was or will be.
I don't know why everyone is big on T4 I guess they fell for the article AR wrote huh?
ALL things like clen ephedrine T3 T4 (if your body converts it) AAS (especially tren) and GH affect the thyroid.

I think all anabolic ergogens such as Gh and AAS effect thyroid to a degree. Is it enough to warrant self medication and shut down? I don't know myself.
Blood readings of thyroid activity are pretty vague to show changes I think.

Reviewing my bloodwork from years back for thyroid function I always noticed my TSH levels dropped while on AAS. Free T3 and T4 remain relatively unchanged. I always leaned out on cycles of test only and part of the rebound effect in my mind when I'd soften up a bit after the cycle was over was due to a lower metabolism IMO. Things like tren and clen and even ephedrine will effect the thyroid, it may not show up on blood work but there are some things going on there.

There are a couple of studies on AAS and thyroid function summarized in Nandi's article on how the thyroid is effected by AAS and it seems inconclusive such a vast array of doses and protocols exist among we lifters to really say yay or nay or how much.

Thyroid problems are huge in the general public my mom and aunt had goiters and nodules on their thyroids my mom's was partially removed. I think a lot of the thyroid problems stem for over stimulation of the thyroid with iodine, the thyroid cells are the only cells in the body that will uptake iodine and will only make so much T4 and convert T3 based on negative feedback to the hypothal, so I think that iodine is altering the cells some way to enlarge them and multiply in a non cancerous and benign fashion.
There also is of course problems with goiters and nodules in countries which the people have an iodine defeciency of course as well.

There is so much WE don't know about the thyroid there are the hormones T1 and T2 that play a role but the medical and scientific community on recognize and treat for T3 and T4. that's why armour thyroid can be an invaluable medicine choice for euthyroid individuals instead of straight T4 and T3, as it is dessicated pig thyroid tissue and contains T1 and T2 and other thyroid facotrs we may not have considered. But then again this applies to those who have had their thyroid removed completely. I have done a ton of research on the hypothyroid medications and thyroid diseases for my mom and aunt but only know wha'ts in the literature and still feel like there is a ton more to find out.

It's hard really to say what's the best form of thyroid meds especially with from the reading I did, it seems to be armour becaue of the mix of t4 nd t3 and the other thyroid hormones the endo's choose to ignore.

Synthroid is the gold standard but the problem there is the body has to convert it to T3, and I have seen even in blood tests where T4 T3 and TSH are perfect the patient feels like absolute shit, their metabolism is in the can and they have no energy but the endo won't do anything. When T3 is added in in, magical things tend to happen these people who have suffered from what I call syn-hyopthyroid-T4 syndrome. Everything improves like coming out of a fog of depression low energy low sex drive. Everything.
Check this out on T3 and T4 it's non scientific but backs up a lot of points I have made about T4 and T3 (most of this won't apply to people with healthy thyroids -that's why Anthony Roberts T4 theory was BS- a healthy person taking T4 most likely won't convert much of it if at all IMO)

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/thyroiddrugs/a/armour.htm

More here as it is worse with people that have their thyroids and they give T4 to to try and restore normal levels-

Summarized NEJ study on T3 and T4
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/t3controversy/a/NEJMT3study.htm

http://www.drpodell.org/natural_hypothyroid_therapies.shtml

For hypothyroid patients:
I would encourage anyone that is on T4 to look at T3 as well, it saved my mom and aunt's life it took me 2 years to work through it all but we finally found a doc that worked above and beyond blood tests and cared about how his pateints felt.

http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/t3/t3medrefs2.php

I know I got off track a bit but the thyroid is something that is near and dear to me heart.

There is also a huge inconsistency in generics and potency with T4, I can't believe the gov't let's this go on as thousands suffer on the generic meds-
**broken link removed**
http://thyroid.about.com/library/reportcard/bl-drugcos.htm

Potency of T4 is affected by many things, that's why I am concerned with black market sources of T4 and T3 the storage an handling are a big factor as well.

I would be curious to see others blood work on using T4, most endos make adjustments in dosages every 4-6 weeks for the most part because of the conversion and half life.
 
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My wife has been on syntharoid for almost a year now and they still can't figure out her correct dose. Her Tsh keeps coming back very very low, where her t3 and t4 are normal. She was started on 137mcg t4 then he bumped her to 120, and get this, her tsh was still too low so he bumped her down to 112mcg and she's actually getting leaner at this dose. Now her tsh is still low so he's keeping her at 112 monday-sat and taking sundays off to see if this helps. She had an mri on her pituitary and that was fine too. He's just having a problem getting her tsh up.
 
Syntharoid??? Whats that man? Sounds like a suplement from synthetek. Only joking:D It alomost came across as syntharol.
 
Massive G:

WOW! You post is very interesting and informative (as usual).:)

Just a question...What do you think about taking T3 at 12,5-25 mcgs ED during bulking cycle for an endo (specially after 5-6 weeks in cycle...)?

I bet your answer has something to do with bloodworks but i try to find some answer before...:D
 
Thanks for the words.

As for the bloodwork that was really meant for Fourthgen I would like to see what his Thyroid levels were before and after to see if the T4 actually did anything at all.

I don't see a problem with lo dose T3, I am not recommending people use it but it has it's uses I don't think it is going to suppress the thyroid, to where someone will need meds after to regain function.

If it's me I would like to cut to the chase with T3, and forego the T4, cut out the middleman you know and go right for the potency.
 
Also there is a guy I know from the board TJ who mods at bolex and Gavin's boards who has a ton of hands on experience with thyroid. I'll see if I can get him to post over here on the subject.

One thing additionally I would like to see is interpreting blood work.
I'll try to post up some and what each test means.
 
Synthroid, is t3/t4 mixture if im not mistaken..
 
4 types of thyroid meds that I know of (brands vary in each country)

Synthroid is brandname for levothyroxine sodium T4 (throxine)

T3 (triiodothyronine) better known as cytomel

Thyrolar (syntetic T3 and T4 at 1:4 ratio)

Armour Thyroid Dessicated porcine thyroid and has 38 mcg T4 and 9 mcg T3 per grain as T3 is four times more potent than T3

Most endos won't go near armour, considering it outdated but nothing could be further from the truth
 

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