outdated aas, training, or nutrition advice

[st114]

Food is your Anabolic

 

[Gizmo]

Muscle confusion

 

[tren]

There's a lot of out dated info on gh but I'm too lazy right now to say much of anything

The more carpal tunnel, fatigue, and numb hands, the better the GH.

 

[comedycentral]

bicep curls standing on a bosu ball. Retarded! Either do balance OR strength but not both at the same time. So many stupid exercises people do. Shoulder upright rows, ugh.

I actually think wide grip upright rows to lower chest is one of the best delt and trap builders.

 

[hogan87]

I actually think wide grip upright rows to lower chest is one of the best delt and trap builders.

Now that is some real comedy central material there. The humerus is most disadvantaged with that wide external rotation and the movement itself does not align with the anterior delt fibers. But glad you enjoy it without pain.

 

[qbkilla]

I actually think wide grip upright rows to lower chest is one of the best delt and trap builders.

I've always heard that wide grip rows hit the delt more...it's not far off anatomy wise from a lateral raise. Then they say narrow grip hit the traps more.

A few more...I saw on the other thread we should not be drinking acv. I drink it but never really felt like it helped wirh digestion tbh so makes sense I'll trust people here over the web

Another one..in the 2000s I'd see alot of people advocate for those colon cleansing protocols to flatten the stomach. Feel like no one does that anymore.

Alot of good stuff on teemans thread too. I think alot of people used to blame distention on gh slin when in reality it's more digestive /bacteria/force feeding related

 

[Virtuous]

You have to squat/bench/deadlift to get big/strong

(Coming from a guy who mainly squats, benches, and deadlifts lol)

 

[Biggerp73]

I actually think wide grip upright rows to lower chest is one of the best delt and trap builders.

Now that is some real comedy central material there. The humerus is most disadvantaged with that wide external rotation and the movement itself does not align with the anterior delt fibers. But glad you enjoy it without pain.

As with virtually every movement pattern, it's going to vary person to person, with each unique biomechanics, the movement will be more or less efficient, more or less effective.

For example some guys build pecs extremely effectively on flat bench. Other guys can't seem to ever get the flat bench to work correctly without damaging shoulders and never really getting much in way of pec gains either way.

My shoulders have always been an easy muscle for me to target, and I've always found upright rows to be an extremely effective way to target them. But then again, the movement pattern is just ridiculously easy for my biomechanics, my shoulders pull that bar up very effectively, and in some ways it feels like a more efficient version of side laterals.

 

[danieltx]

Food is your Anabolic

Explain why you belive this is outdated.

 

[P30LEM]

You have to squat/bench/deadlift to get big/strong

(Coming from a guy who mainly squats, benches, and deadlifts lol)

Even if you don't necessarily need them, do you think any of those 3 lifts have specific advantages that other variations might not have?

 

[Fa Seeshus]

Bill Roberts Class I and Class II theory which was cut and pasted into oblivion by newbs calling vets idiots for stacking things like deca and eq (actually very good synergy).

 

[Elvis755]

Even if you don't necessarily need them, do you think any of those 3 lifts have specific advantages that other variations might not have?

I think deadlifts specifically do create a thick well developed back. There’s a lot of powerlifters with small legs but they almost all have really good backs.

 

[socialdfan]

Conjugate is only for geared lifting.

 

[st114]

Explain why you belive this is outdated.

Back in the day when I was getting started, food was way overstated and drugs were underplayed to the same degree.
Extreme overeating, permabulking. There were guys who were saying eat 500+ grams of protein and extreme amounts of calories would get you huge, without talking about the pharmaceutical aspect. Guys bulking up to 270lbs natural and looking obese

All while the guys giving this extreme diet advice were blasting grams of gear too

Anabolics are your anabolic. As long as you’re in a surplus, you’re good and loading extreme amounts of calories on top won’t make you grow any faster. Staying generally leaner allows you to use the drugs and food better than becoming a whale

I’m sleep deprived so hopefully you can see where I’m coming from

Basically, the old adage of overeating and downplaying drugs

I might be wrong though, I’m just a hobbyist

 

[Heath82]

Gallon of whole milk a day

 

[st114]

I actually think wide grip upright rows to lower chest is one of the best delt and trap builders.

I love upright rows, cable with rope, barbell, or dumbbell. Great pump and I have zero issues with them

 

[nothuman]

Back in the day when I was getting started, food was way overstated and drugs were underplayed to the same degree.
Extreme overeating, permabulking. There were guys who were saying eat 500+ grams of protein and extreme amounts of calories would get you huge, without talking about the pharmaceutical aspect. Guys bulking up to 270lbs natural and looking obese

All while the guys giving this extreme diet advice were blasting grams of gear too

Anabolics are your anabolic. As long as you’re in a surplus, you’re good and loading extreme amounts of calories on top won’t make you grow any faster. Staying generally leaner allows you to use the drugs and food better than becoming a whale

I’m sleep deprived so hopefully you can see where I’m coming from

Basically, the old adage of overeating and downplaying drugs

I might be wrong though, I’m just a hobbyist

10000% this. Downplaying the anabolics because “food is your anabolic” is hilarious. Of course you need to eat enough to build muscle but it’s not like you can just continue to eat more and more until you eventually force the muscle to build. I swear so many people used to get fat from this frequently parroted advice.

 

[nothuman]

“Dbol as a kickstart while you wait for the test to kick in”

 

[aHarness]

I think the food mantra has flipped too far. Now people are trying to eat maintenance and go from a lean 180 to a lean 220. It’s ridiculous.

 

[aHarness]

You have to squat/bench/deadlift to get big/strong

(Coming from a guy who mainly squats, benches, and deadlifts lol)

Good thread by @danieltx on this idea

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I've thought this for years and Mike Van Wyck excellently articulated it on the latest Bro Chat. I've started it at his first point on training beginners; his second point starts at 02:01:40. The Problem: Bodybuilding dogma says the most important exercises and the best mass builders are the...

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