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hair shedding during PCT

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In my third week of PCT, did HCG 2 weeks before start of PCT and am running Nolva 20mg ED. Noticed some shedding. I can lightly pluck a hair out (sometimes 2 or 3 at once) here and there. Yesterday I rubbed my head over a table for about 10 seconds and counted about 20+ hairs that had fallen out. I'm HOPING this is just from fluctuating hormones. I was using Nizoral 1% on cycle but stopped it and have just started it back up. I don't remember having any shedding while on cycle.

10 weeks test e 500mg
4 weeks d-bol 40mg

Should I get some finasteride? Or just continue with the nizoral EOD? Probably best to keep d-bol out of my future cycles since it is DHT derived?
 
dam how old are you, i wouldnt even play with the shit anymore , your subsetible to it, and yes finestride might help, but i would say your to sensitive anyway imo, you might have just speed up your hair losing process another 10 or more years
 
20 hairs in one swipe-dude your going bald no matter what you take-jk-start taking saw plametto it should help
 
Damn you guys are scaring me! I'm only 22! Guess I'll keep you guys updated on how the shedding goes...what's weird though is it is almost like all over my head, not just in the front or sides. I only found about 4 hairs on my pillow this morning so maybe me rubbing my head like that aggravated some of it.

I'll get finasteride if I have to, its dirt cheap, just looking for some other suggestions from people. I had read nolva can cause shedding/thinning.
 
pregnenlone might help as well
 
i feel really bad for you dude, i love bodybuilding myself so that would really suck if i was sensitive to it lke that, be thankful your werent sensitive to a hard atack or stroke
 
In my third week of PCT, did HCG 2 weeks before start of PCT and am running Nolva 20mg ED. Noticed some shedding. I can lightly pluck a hair out (sometimes 2 or 3 at once) here and there. Yesterday I rubbed my head over a table for about 10 seconds and counted about 20+ hairs that had fallen out. I'm HOPING this is just from fluctuating hormones. I was using Nizoral 1% on cycle but stopped it and have just started it back up. I don't remember having any shedding while on cycle.

10 weeks test e 500mg
4 weeks d-bol 40mg

Should I get some finasteride? Or just continue with the nizoral EOD? Probably best to keep d-bol out of my future cycles since it is DHT derived?


I'm no expert but if it was caused by the d-bol don't you think you would of had shedding while using it, and you only used it for 4 weeks. Your now starting to shed 10 weeks later. I have read some people post in regards to shed during pct, but not sure what really causes it. Also, i would definatly keep the Nizoral in the regimen at all times..doesn't hurt to use couple times a week.

Does your hair actually look any different to you? I'm sure comsemtically you it looks the same.

Keep us posted on how things turn out.
 
see if and when your dad and grandpas started losing there hair and went bald and compare, its genetics
 
I'm not TOO worried about, I KNOW it will stop soon, I mean I doubt it can possibly continue to shed for the rest of my life until it is gone? That is why I am thinking it is hormonal. I have used PH's before (h-drol, which converts to dht via 5a-reductase), and I didn't shed there at all really.

My hairline doesn't look any different really, had my mom and dad glance at it.

I know other things can cause shedding, stress mainly. Hell my buddy ran his fingers through his hair and 30 strands came out. 1 month later and he's fine.

Another friend did M1T in highschool and was pulling hair out like crazy, 3 cycles of test later, and no hair loss.

Anyways, I'm just not going to think about it, that's the worst I can do. If I see it getting worse, then I'll head to the doc or get some finasteride!
 
ITS THE D_BOL !

Damn you guys are scaring me! I'm only 22! Guess I'll keep you guys updated on how the shedding goes...what's weird though is it is almost like all over my head, not just in the front or sides. I only found about 4 hairs on my pillow this morning so maybe me rubbing my head like that aggravated some of it.

I'll get finasteride if I have to, its dirt cheap, just looking for some other suggestions from people. I had read nolva can cause shedding/thinning.

same thing happens to me from dbol, test without it doesnt bother me, get the finasteride, and saw palmetto and stay away from dbol !
 
I'm no expert but if it was caused by the d-bol don't you think you would of had shedding while using it, and you only used it for 4 weeks. Your now starting to shed 10 weeks later. .

Yeah, you would think so. Finasteride or duasteride will block 5-alpha-reductase conversion to DHT, BUT I've also read this on several sites:

'While Dianabol does convert to a more potent steroid via interaction with the 5-alpha reductase anzyme (the same enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone), it has extremely little affinity to do so in the human body's. The androgenic metabolite 5alpha dihydromethandrostenolone is therefore produced only in trace amounts at best. Therefore the use of Proscar/Propecia would serve no real purpose.'

So, I don't see a consensus on the effectiveness of finasteride with Dbol... are there any experts/anyone with good experience in the house?
 
It is my understanding finasteride is only effective at preventing the conversion of testosterone to DHT and will do nothing for hair loss from other compounds.
 
Yeah, you would think so. Finasteride or duasteride will block 5-alpha-reductase conversion to DHT, BUT I've also read this on several sites:

'While Dianabol does convert to a more potent steroid via interaction with the 5-alpha reductase anzyme (the same enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone), it has extremely little affinity to do so in the human body's. The androgenic metabolite 5alpha dihydromethandrostenolone is therefore produced only in trace amounts at best. Therefore the use of Proscar/Propecia would serve no real purpose.'

So, I don't see a consensus on the effectiveness of finasteride with Dbol... are there any experts/anyone with good experience in the house?


I guess i'm still a little lost. If he took the dbol weeks 1-4 i'm assuming, and now 14 weeks later he is noticing shedding, your telling me the affects of dbol from 10 weeks ago are now starting to show? Not argueing, just trying to understand how it can be blamed on the dbol
 
I guess i'm still a little lost. If he took the dbol weeks 1-4 i'm assuming, and now 14 weeks later he is noticing shedding, your telling me the affects of dbol from 10 weeks ago are now starting to show? Not argueing, just trying to understand how it can be blamed on the dbol

No, that's not what I'm saying. I don't know if it could be from the Dbol at this point. My guess would be the test if anything, simply because of the timing, as you point out. I was just taking advantage of the subject at hand to see if anyone else knows anything of Dbol/finasteride effectiveness. Sorry for the confusion.
 
It is my understanding finasteride is only effective at preventing the conversion of testosterone to DHT and will do nothing for hair loss from other compounds.

Right, I think you mean that because finasteride only blocks conversion via the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, DHT-based steroids (Winny, Tren, Masteron, etc) will bypass it, BUT Dbol does not fall into this category. Why, then, is there so much real-world anecdotal evidence that finasteride doesn't do anything to counter hair loss from Dbol? Does anyone know if this is true, and why?
 
I really wonder if people are just noticing they are loosing hari becuase they know its a side effect so they pay EXTRA attention to this while on a cycle...and freak out pre-maturely? I can really run my hands through my hair pretty agreesively and always seem to get 5-10 hairs...
 
same thing happens to me from dbol, test without it doesnt bother me, get the finasteride, and saw palmetto and stay away from dbol !



Did the shedding subside after a while??

I have some finasteride, wondering if I should use it.
 
YES

Did the shedding subside after a while??

I have some finasteride, wondering if I should use it.

it will stop, but if I were you would take the finasteride ( thats what I did) and stay away from dbol, I can do test and deca or eq or whatever but dbol really seems to thin my hair bad. :mad:
 
Here is something that I read about shedding , some guy is asking why his hair is still shedding 2 months after his pct. His cycle consisted of Test, Deca and Dbol & he took Finsteride during his cycle. Number 1 really does not apply to you , but its good to know anyway plus it sets up number 2 and 3 . I think # 3 applies to your situation. I thought this was a good read. Hope you do to.

1. Shedding 2-3 months after using Dutasteride or Finasteride is called telogen effluvium.

Definition of telogen effluvium is “This disorder refers to the loss of hairs from a disproportionately large number of follicles that have entered the telogen stage of the hair cycle in a relatively synchronous fashion. Although a number of clinical scenarios may be described by patients, the hair loss usually follows a stressful event by about 2 to 4 months. Hair regrowth usually occurs within 6 to 12 months but may not be complete. No specific treatment is currently available to speed recovery.”

The ‘stressful event’ was the STEROID CYCLE.

This next part description is in natural people
but..
NOTE the 15% increase of testosterone that propecia induces in non-steroid people. Lets say once you are on a cycle you increase TEST by about 5,000%... an increase is an increase...

"the ‘reflex hyperandrogenicity’ (HYPER = MORE, ANDROGEN = STEROIDS) as evidenced by ‘increased skin oiliness and pimples and increased ejaculate volume and libido’. For most patients, the rise in the serum level of testosterone of ~15% due to taking finasteride (Propecia) does not result in any clinical changes. However, there have been isolated reports of ‘reflex hyperandrogenicity’ and, as in your case, rare instances of telogen effluvium. Unfortunately, there is no way to test or predict the patient who will suffer these undesirable side effects.

Will you suffer from MPB in areas that you would not otherwise have done so had you not taken the Propecia? No. The episode of telogen effluvium may have temporarily hastened the rate of your MPB, but it did not miniaturize any hair follicles, which were not genetically inclined to do so in any case."

2. OK Now try and soak this in
Background: Telogen effluvium is a form of nonscarring alopecia characterized by diffuse hair shedding, often with an acute onset. A chronic form with a more insidious onset and a longer duration also exists. Telogen effluvium is a reactive process caused by a metabolic or hormonal stress or by medications. Generally, recovery is spontaneous and occurs within 6 months.

Pathophysiology: Telogen effluvium can affect hair on all parts of the body, but, generally, only loss of scalp hair is symptomatic.

Understanding the pathophysiology of telogen effluvium requires knowledge of the hair growth cycle. All hair has a growth phase, termed anagen, and a resting phase, telogen. On the scalp, anagen(GROWING) lasts approximately 3 years, while telogen(RESTING) lasts roughly 3 months, although there can be wide variation in these times between individuals. During telogen(RESTING), the resting hair remains in the follicle until it is pushed out by growth of a new anagen(GROWING) hair.

In most people, 5-15% of the hair on the scalp is in telogen(RESTING) at any given time. Telogen effluvium is triggered when a physiologic stress or hormonal change causes a large number of hairs to enter telogen(RESTING) at one time. Shedding does not occur until the new anagen(GROWING) hairs begin to grow. The emerging hairs help to force the resting hairs out of the follicle. Recent evidence suggests that the mechanism of shedding of a telogen(RESTING) hair is an active process that may occur in***endent of the emerging anagen(GROWING) hair. The interval between the inciting event in telogen effluvium and the onset of shedding corresponds to the length of the telogen(RESTING) phase, between 1 and 6 months (average 3 mo).

Headington has described 5 functional subtypes of telogen effluvium, based on which portion of the hair cycle is abnormally shortened or lengthened. These subtypes represent variations on the principles discussed above. It is rarely possible to distinguish these subtypes clinically.

3. High Testosterone levels have placed your hair in the RESTING STAGE.

RESTING HAIR is still hair on your scalp..
it only starts falling out, once new hair starts growing..

Your hair is shedding now.. that means, that new hair has started growing..

QUESTION IS... what is the miniaturization level of the new hairs..

the new hairs that are pushing out your RESTING HAIR could be so small that you cant even see them. BAD NEWS.

or they could grow to be normal looking hair. GOOD NEWS.

start taking DUTA or FINA AGAIN, Nizoral shampoo, and spiro 5%, n toss in Rogaine too...be sure to wash your hands well after handling oils, vials, n etc with steroids in them. a good idea to wash your pillows and bedsheets also..
 
The same thing happened to me after a cycle of sustanon. I was not shedding while "on" but during PCT I was shedding like I was going to be bald within a month. It eventually went away but it freaked me out enough to stop taking it for a while. :rolleyes:
 

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