A post Phil H. made interested me. I guess this may be directed at him, but of course, everyone feel free to add in. Phil made a comment about the price to pay with going after a professional status in bodybuilding (in weight 77's pic thread), or at least this is how I read it. Now, I realize that any AS use can leave you open to physical ailments, including kideny problems (which can be attributed to excessive protein intake etc.) and problems with your hpta and on... MY question is, is there a "safe" way to do this, or maybe better asked, what is the safest way to go? For instance, I have no asirations of being a pro bber, in fact the only show I did was a natural one after concluding my college football career. I do plan on doing a show, but train more for myself more than anything. I run cycles 10-12 weeks, moderate doses, and always take 8 weeks off inbetween and get my hormones to a normal level. I've been as heavy as 270 @ 5'9" (a very bloated 270) but now hold down at about 250-255. I want to build the best physique I can, but am not willing to pay the price some people are. So, Phil, or others, if you were in the position of a "recreational" bber, with no national or pro aspirations, what route would you take to achieve your bbing goals?