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HGH and Nolvadex

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Wondering if it's counter productive to run HGH and Nolvadex at the same time. Studies have shown that Nolva decreases IGF1 levels which is the complete opposite of what were trying to do using HGH. Curious if there's a conflict of interest here.
 

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IIRC all AI will lower IGF-1



as will metformin



but it really shouldnt interfere with what you are trying to accomplish by using exogenous HGH
 

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A) 20mg Nolva isnt enough to counter the effects of GH
B) There's the debate Nolva's effects on the liver, aid in GH->IGF conversion
C) There's no clinical studies of Nolva and GH use simultaneous so who knows if it even lowers IGF at all
 

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I think that for some who is all natural if they checked their IGF-1 levels then took Nolvadex o metformin for that matter) for 6 months then checked their level then they would have a decrease (but from what I've been told by two people than did this with metformin) it's very low , like 8-10 points.

The increase from the HGH if way more than enough to offset the lowered IGF from the metformin , or Nolvadex in this case.

Even a low dose of MK-677 raises the IGF levels significantly
 

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