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[jaymz0341]

allright everybody im not too terribly new to gear but i am to making my own for research purposes.. my question is this: i understand the ratio formulas and i also have melting point charts but what im not understanding is the melting point factor... ive never seen the raw material which i will b vey soon in about 6 days. so u mix it all up of course but before that you need heat to turn the substance to liquid form??? correct. now the melting point for test enanthate is 90-96 deg F so must this temp b achieved to successfuly have the finished product? before the substance will convert to its liquid form? will this temp affect or destroy the hormone... please clarify this for me. i dont want to destroy my hormone...any tips would be great.. feel free to pm me or email me at.. [email protected]

again thanks for the help cant wait to get started..

jb

 

[flexmaster]

you dont need to melt each hormone before making it into solution. the short ester aas powders are all powder, not liquid. you can use some heat to help ease it into solution, but it should be that hard.

i responded to your pm

 

[jaymz0341]

test E powder

thanks for the reply flex yeah i understamd that the powders are powders. let me rephrase this queston. so we have the ba bb and oil that are in liquid form already. we are desiring to turn the hormoneAAS so it will become liquid also... what im saying is there heat involved or needed to extract the hormone from the powder. or are we turning th powder into liquid by reaching that specific powders melting point. c what im sayin... i c all these recipies for (research purposes) but none say how long to let the mixture sit... i understan tren fine... its test e that im not seeing the fine tune process. all the basics i got.. its the heat that im not understanding. so what im asking is if i mix all solutions and ad the powder. does it miraculously turn into liquid? im thinking it needs heat to break the powder down... so how long and how hot for test e...

apprecciate the help, any more info in to understanding this would be great to clarify this..

thx jb

 

[flexmaster]

thanks for the reply flex yeah i understamd that the powders are powders. let me rephrase this queston. so we have the ba bb and oil that are in liquid form already. we are desiring to turn the hormoneAAS so it will become liquid also... what im saying is there heat involved or needed to extract the hormone from the powder. or are we turning th powder into liquid by reaching that specific powders melting point. c what im sayin... i c all these recipies for (research purposes) but none say how long to let the mixture sit... i understan tren fine... its test e that im not seeing the fine tune process. all the basics i got.. its the heat that im not understanding. so what im asking is if i mix all solutions and ad the powder. does it miraculously turn into liquid? im thinking it needs heat to break the powder down... so how long and how hot for test e...

apprecciate the help, any more info in to understanding this would be great to clarify this..

thx jb

some hormones go into solution easier than others. test e is very easy...if you are converting all the powder you ordered into solution you can just let the bag sit under hot running water until all the powder turns to liquid. then add the aas "powder" to the oil, ba, bb solution and you'll be fine. if for some reason you can start to see it crashing (the solution is not clear) then you can set the vial on a burner on low/med heat to ease it into solution. test e is very easy though, so i would imagine you wil be fine.

 

[jaymz0341]

test e

thanks for clarifying that. i understand now. so some heat is involved but not much, just enough for the powder to liquify and this gives you the final product. then you can filter with solution warm im assuming??? anyways ur the man flex thanx brother... ill let you know how my research goes...

 

[Kev 245]

I was also going to give this a go, but I was under the impression that the solvent dissolves the powder, If you are to add the powder to the solvent if it completely dissolves, without help, will this not indicate later when oils is added which I understand just to be the carrier that the complete solution will not crash, basically as the oil is not a solvent it seems irrelevent to the crashing of the solution as to how much is added?

 

[hiddenbelow]

You are going to have to heat the hormone powder while in oil/solvents to 250 degrees. This can be done stove top or in oven. It needs to be done so the hormone can stay in the solution.


To do this on top of oven have solvent and powder in beaker. Put pot of water on eye and let get to a boil not a crazy boil but boil. Take the water temp with candy thermo. Adjust heat accordingly then sit beaker in water untill you get a solution all powder dissolved. After this add your desired oil whatever that amount is. Then put back in water untill solvent and hormone have become clear solution. Then filter.............

DW

Not the best instructions but thats how you can do it.....

 

[jaymz0341]

that's clear enough instructions for me. thx for the extra info bro. the only concern from me is each hormone has it destruction point. the only thing I have found on charts is the melting point of enathate test is around 92 deg far. from what I have found... would taking the temp too far beyond kill your hormone. that's the only thing left for me to understand...plz let me know if anybody could clarify this. I know that some of u have been extremely successful with this research.. thx jb

 

[hiddenbelow]

Yes you can infact damage hormones by too much heat. It is like anything else too extreme of a condition and it will cause its potency level to go down. For pretty much any oil conversion you will do 250 degrees will do the trick. Hormones do not lose potency unless a extreme condition is present. I believe in the last dissertation I read about test e- potency levels where lost at 325 degrees after 4 minutes of exposure. I believe the percent drop was like .02. I don't have a link to any online chem studies. If I get a chance next week I will go by the University and scan a page to show you the actual study.

But you really have nothing to worry about it is not going to drop more than 1-2 mg's unless you leave exposed to the heat for a long period.

The process goes pretty fast after you have the hormone in liquid form and add the oil you won't keep it on the heat for more than 2-5 minutes at 250 and that is 75 degrees less than reported drop of .02% at 4 minutes.

After the solution has cleared no more oil streaks let it cool to room temp. too make sure the solution does not crash "go back to the state it was in before heating the first time-being hormone seperate from the oil". If it does not crash you can heat it up to around 100 degrees and filter.

DW

 

[jaymz0341]

hidden ur the shit brother, very clear and precise for me now...thx again...ill b sure and keep u posted on my research studies....theres some smart experienced lifters out there that's for damn sure...

jb