Wow! Dr. You always provide some good info. Who are you dude? lol A lot of stuff here. I need to read this a few more times.
O.K. Here is another question.
My understanding of the really big guys with low body fat (Jay Cutler, Ronnie Colman types) have to use large amounts of test just to keep this much muscle on their body.
In other words, we have talked about getting bigger. But what about when you have reached super heavy weight status with low body fat? Do you have to take large amounts of test just to maintain what you have?
Right now Im using 500mgs and working out 3 days a week, 3 square meals a day. I have used as much 1500mgs, working out 5 days a week, 5 meals a day.
The calories and the training has to be relative to the amount of test used.
Increasing my test levels right now for me would not produce any more results for me other than increasing side affects
thank you,
just consider this example,
lets hypothetically assume a bodybuilder John who competes at 250 lbs at 5 feet 9 inches super-ripped only once a year.
Once his competetion is over lets assume he goes back to his "CRUISE" dose... lets say 250mg/week or may be HRT doses.
It is very obvious that john will SURELY lose his 250lbs contest STAGE status. So after 4 months on cruise or hrt dose he come down to 218 lbs. (but he still trains and eats good food).
Now at around 24-26 weeks before the contest he starts slowing bumping his dose from 300 mg to 500mg,... 750mg...1000mg this goes on and on untill he reaches upto....3000mg/week(with his 10IU GROWTH HORMONE/ed + with wisely using insulin so that he does not gain too much fat) and along with progession on hormones he keeps bumping up his Protein intake and Clean food (other macronutrients) this leads to increase in muscle mass "coupled" with his
"Muscle Memory",
which in any persons case is very fast.
He reaches to up to
260 lbs "very lean" at 10 weeks out, at that point slightly tweaks his Diet, Hormones and Training for the last 8-9 weeks to change from
VERY LEAN TO SUPER RIPPED and THEN there he is contest ready and again competes at 252 lbs.
***just assume yourself, stop working out + diet, and AAS use... for 3 months, how much time will it take for you to reach back to your present "best shape"....not more than 10-12weeks (WITH Diet good training and hormones of course), a similar thing to what john did.
ok contnuing with the HYPOTHETICAL JOHN example...
-However this time at John was critisized for Lack of outer sweep on Quads
and needs a little more thickness on the back.
So HE CALCULATES THAT OVERALL he needs 8 pounds of more muscle mass.
-Now he goes back, and Lowers his doses again, But this time he
CRUISES on 450-500 mg/week with some GH maybe 2-4iu/day which is higher than his previous years CRUISE DOSE of 300mg/week or HRT dose,
-Now since his cruise dose is higher than previous years (with a good diet and Training) the
amount of weight he looses this time is "lesser than" previous years drop in body weight. Lets assume this time after 4 to 5 months time He maintains at around 230 to 235 lbs.(*
obviously due to the increment of CRUISE DOSE THAN PREVIOUS YEARS.)
-Now Again at 24-26 weeks out, at 235 lbs he starts upping his AAS but ths time starts from 500mgs from 500-750-1000-1250..until 3000mg (along with Growth hormone 10iu/day and wisely using insulin so that he does not gain too much fat) untill he reaches upto a
very lean 275lbs, along with super heavy training concentrating more on "outer sweep" of the quads and back thickness" etc.
At ten weeks out he is very lean 275 lbs, at 9-10 weeks out he tweaks his Drugs Diet Training and Hormones in order to change himself from
VERY LEAN TO SUPER RIPPED and present himself on stage at 264lbs.(with all the improvements he needed). 12 pounds more than previous year.(*
however this would be a phenomenal achievement at the elite level, because once one reaches his personal genetic limit of muscle growth, gaining even 5 pounds of new muscle mass is very very difficult....not every one can do what ronnie coleman did in 2003 ie..he added 40lbs to his previous contest weight)
However john`s greatest threat is the Competitior Peter who also competes at the same weight 250lbs, after the competition takes a break of 3-4 months(totally off training diet and drugs) and then does a conventional
Bulking and cutting
16-18 week bulk cycle uses 1500mg-2000mg Sustanon/week + Deca 600mg or tren 450mg + 10 iu GH and 30 iu insulin (does his mass gaining diet with progressive lifting reaches up to 290 at 12 percent body fat.
then 14 weeks starts his "cutting cycle" with high protien calorie deficit diet, and cardio and a liitle Higher amounts of AAS + GH + fatburners than his offseason. Then he is ready at 254lbs ripped.
so john was actually on for "24 weeks" whereas peter was on "30 weeks", out of 52 weeks a year
But if some one thinks that elites bodybuilder stay on
Testosterone 3000mg/week
Deca-durabolin 1000mg/week
Trenbolone A 1000mg/week
Growth Hormone 30iu/day
Insulin 40 iu/day.
52 weeks a year, pinning the same amount 365 days a year, then again for 10-15 years non stop not a single day off cycle,
How is it possible for that Elite to be Alive in the first place, forget longivity for the sport.
of course Elites do use do use High Amount of AAS but only at times when high dosage is required, at times when its time to do, whatever they have to do.
EVERY THING IS SORTED OUT FOR ELITES may be they themselves plan out or their Guru`s Plan out. HOW? WHEN? WHAT AMOUNT? FOR WHAT DURATION? and then WHAT TO EXPECT with the
wise and intelligent use of Every availiable resource used for body building is chalked out meticulously,
At the same time making sure of USING EVERY THING IN HAND TO MAINTAIN GOOD HEALTH..
The AAS use approach used in the above example of 250lbs john may be one of the several different approaches used by the elites.
I dont think these Elites go around trying steal or copy each others approach, they worked out and sorted out the approach that works for them...it is as simple as that.
There are different styles and different approaches for diet training AAS (off-season or Pre-contest, maintainence anything) use used by different elite bodybuilders and their Guru`s for for preparing for contest and for those times when they should stay off.
After all they too are humans with families and have responsiblities.
Now we know very well Ronnie coleman`s approach towards training is very different than that of Dorian yates?.......
So who between the 2 used more Testosterone + GH and Insulin ? out of the two, who knows.... They must have had
very different approaches towards AAS use, amounts, timing, compounds every component must have been different.
the only thing
common between them was that they had their
OWN CUSTOMIZED-PERSONALIZED WINNING FORMULA.
WE AS BODYBUILDERS should first understand the set limits our genetics will allow with even with a great WORK ETHIC, DEDICATION DISCIPLINE eating the right food training to the best of our ability and responsible AAS to maintain longivity,( too much AAS = too much sides,
so who do you think will grow more muscle?, a healthy and a responsible AAS user or a SHORT SIGHTED MAD person who uses 4000mg/week all the time....its obvious the healthy guy.)
and then All we can learn from these great guys (dorian and ronnie) is CREATING OUR OWN WINNING FORMULA OF DIET, TRAINING and RESPONSIBLE AAS (use without compromising our health) to be the best competitive athelete in our own sphere and OUR OWN "LEVEL" of competition...
no one can stop you from being the best "you can" be, a light heavyweight can be a great light heavy weight, but if the guy starts OVER-AIMING TO beat TO DETHRONE JAY CUTLER NEXT YEAR, its certainly not going to happen so its better that we leave that to kai greene, phil heath and company.
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