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ive used these in a bulking cycle at 1 amp eod, but alone! i did this to see how well i responded to a test enanthate only cycle. i did well but stopped when it kicked in because i switched to suspension. i wish i never stopped though, it kicks in week 4-5 so be patient. my next bulking cycle will probably include either these or the testoviron depot which i never used before. i would take 750-1250mg per week for 8-10 weeks stacked with dbol 30-50mg per day for the first 5-6 weeks. thats the best bulking cycle. you can add deca or fina or eq but test/dbol and a lot of cals, im talking 500g protein per day, 500g carbs per day, will get you big