if you had to pick....SARM vs. TEST CYCLE

[hollaatyaboyy1]

hey guys i want to keep this question very broad and general...PLEASE do NOT THINK I AM GOING TO "JUMP INTO SOMETHING" i just am interested in what people have to say....

that being said.. i know that SARM (S4) isnt for pouring massive amounts of muscle on you and is more for slight,steady obtainable muscle gains ,from what i read so far it doesnt shut you down and doesnt really require a pct... however does cause some eyesight problems......

so for an absolute natural newbie ......that has all there eggs in one basket....
age, bf %, weight, training ,diet ..etc... that is looking for a little edge or wants to davel in chemical enhancement .....

which way would you personally recommend that person to go? --SARM VS BASIC TEST CYCLE--
&
do you consider SARMS to be the "TEST" of the future? (with further reaseach and development)

 

[PsyT]

test is the best

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

haha i like that....but what do you think is the future of SARMs'

 

[PsyT]

i dont know, but from what I understand they have very low androgen ratings mostly right? It seems like there is something very essential about a stout androgen (like test) and muscle growth.

The side effects of testosterone (high estrogen and high DHT) can be circumvented with ancillary drugs (5alphareductase inhibitor and aromatase inhibitor). There's really no reason not to include testosterone in a cycle, since anything that causes much muscular growth is probably going to shut you down (ie replace your natural test) and you NEED testosterone (and estrogen as a byproduct of test) to be a healthy man.

My reasoning at least...I'll never subject my body to an extended period without some amount of test (exogenous or endogenous) kicking around my veins.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

nice exlpination i def see where u are coming from.... like i said i wasnt just going to jump into anything as i need to get my cloodwork done again in a couple of months ....and if everything is ok i might start my first cycle in january

 

[Quad-smack]

I'm all for supplementing what is naturally produced by the body (with notable exceptions)
SARM's = unnatural...

 

[Muay Thai]

I'm all for supplementing what is naturally produced by the body (with notable exceptions)
SARM's = unnatural...

test compounds are synthetic testosterones ....

b0ody may produce it byt synthetic is synthetic

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

that eyesight thing really throws me for a loop.....thats scaryyyyy

 

[lazer05]

simply put, test. PsyT is right about sides being easy to block so its simply the best.

 

[bigman1]

Used both and I WILL NEVER EVER USE SARMS AGAIN, my eyesight got so bad and it took over two weeks to get back to normal...I was scared. I did not even do high dose in fact 50mg twice a day. I eat very well< I took the supplements some tend to think stop the eye issues such as bilberry etc which are excellent products just not for preventing the yellow eyes and lack of night vision.

There is NOT one person who can explain the night vision or yellow tint and I for one was stupid to try it but leson learned, until they can figure it out im not sure what place it has over basic test, test is proven to be safe in small dose, and we know sides from test.....just my 2cents

 

[Stewie Griffon]

Used both and I WILL NEVER EVER USE SARMS AGAIN, my eyesight got so bad and it took over two weeks to get back to normal...I was scared. I did not even do high dose in fact 50mg twice a day. I eat very well< I took the supplements some tend to think stop the eye issues such as bilberry etc which are excellent products just not for preventing the yellow eyes and lack of night vision.

There is NOT one person who can explain the night vision or yellow tint and I for one was stupid to try it but leson learned, until they can figure it out im not sure what place it has over basic test, test is proven to be safe in small dose, and we know sides from test.....just my 2cents

gotta aggree with you on that, things that affect vision are scary.

so you might take too much test and your nuts shut down - there is always TRT. mess with your eyes and there is no fixing that.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

hell yea thats what i was thinkin anyway....my eyesight is horrid to begin with

 

[MrCyp]

The vision shit is very scary. Not b/c of the side but b/c there is no explanation why. Also its too new. clomid can cause vision probs but its been around for what over 50years? So clearly there is no permanent vision probs. Who knows what they are gonna find out down the road with sarms. thats why I stay away from super new shit like that and stuff like mt2.

 

[Malic777.com]

sarm will do u harm but test will give you wood the best ...alex

 

[KillerStack]

test compounds are synthetic testosterones ....

b0ody may produce it byt synthetic is synthetic

Yest but synthetic test is still bioidentical.

 

[VallhallaOrBust]

Used both and I WILL NEVER EVER USE SARMS AGAIN, my eyesight got so bad and it took over two weeks to get back to normal...I was scared. I did not even do high dose in fact 50mg twice a day. I eat very well< I took the supplements some tend to think stop the eye issues such as bilberry etc which are excellent products just not for preventing the yellow eyes and lack of night vision.

There is NOT one person who can explain the night vision or yellow tint and I for one was stupid to try it but leson learned, until they can figure it out im not sure what place it has over basic test, test is proven to be safe in small dose, and we know sides from test.....just my 2cents

^^^^^^ I have heard this from others as well.

 

[newsbc]

The main liquid Acetamidoxolutamide seller is blaming the vision side effects on PEG300 used in the liquid formulation. They claim to have switched to a new ethanol only recipe. Personally I'm still scared to try it and will wait for Ostarine to become available.

 

[MrCyp]

The main liquid Acetamidoxolutamide seller is blaming the vision side effects on PEG300 used in the liquid formulation. They claim to have switched to a new ethanol only recipe. Personally I'm still scared to try it and will wait for Ostarine to become available.

Really. He should come up with a better excuse than that b/c most of use have used peg300 for years with no probs. Most liquid orals have some peg in them. thats def not the cause. I think they just cant figure out the cause.

 

[chemicalwarrior]

It's weird, the eyesight sides have never been that bad for me on s4- some difference, but not bad. Right now I'm taking 50 mg per day with 2 days off per week- to allow for time for it to clear my system, minimizing sides. The gains/benefits aren't dramatic, but are noticeable for sure.

I would recommend doing a moderate/low dose test cycle followed by 50 mg of s4 as I've outlined throughout your pct. But, that's just my opinion.

 

[truckdaddy]

I like the sarms....sure test may be stronger, but i cant deal with the roller coaster of having my nuts shut down.