IGF & 150mcg shots

[gridlock]

am i right in thinking that if I put over 100mcg of IGF1 in a local muscle at a time, that receptor site could get overloaded and it could spill off into other parts of the body? Just thiking about the whole big gut thing.

If not, has anybody run any more that 100mcg in local muscle shots. I'm getting some good results from it and wouldn't mind uppin it a bit

 

[saudades]

I'm under the belief that even 150mcg is not enough for a dosage. I have gone up to 200mcg without any ill effects. The localized muscle growth really does happen. Still, every person reacts differently so go with what you know is working for you.

 

[Jarconis]

this thread is really gonna stress Grunt76 out, IGF goes throughout the body anyway looking for receptor sites.

 

[gridlock]

this thread is really gonna stress Grunt76 out, IGF goes throughout the body anyway looking for receptor sites.

Yes I do know this as it clearly says that in what I have written. What I am trying to find out is the amount that the stimulated receptors can take in without it overspilling. There will be a rough amount to go by.

If you don't have anything decent to say in a post mate, don't post anything.

 

[RV63T]

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[BubbaJohn]

over 100mcg grams per injection site... enjoy your belly man igf is not for instantaneous growth it takes time for the myoblasts to fully proliferate. 100mcg is definitely flooding receptors in that muscle as well as downregulates the receptors. Read Grunts take on IGF there is a lot of useful information in there to be used.

 

[myall]

i know a few that have run IGF upto 160mg daily however they beleive they did not get any better results at this dose as compared to 80mcg daily.

however when run on non consecutive days or just post workout some including myself have found better results running a higher dose of 150 and up to 200mcg.

from what i have read there are a lot of theories stating all sorts of dosing and all holding so called scientific backing for there beliefs and theories, however in truth i think as an individual the only way you will really see what works best for you is by researching on yourself.

ps, looking good in the avatar, looks like you already carry a fair bit of size Gridlock

 

[buldog9]

Gridlock

How many days a week do you take your dose's and are they PW or pre or both. Thanks

 

[BubbaJohn]

40mcg for muscle groups... you can go 60mcg for quads. Say you work back and bi's then inject IM 20mcg in left bicep and 20mcg in right bicep. Three times a week is plenty plus it will make your igf last, keep from downregulating receptors, and not give you that big coleman gut...

 

[Jarconis]

you guys need to remember, the body naturally produces 2-5mcg of igf I'd imagine, so even 40mcg of igf is a HUGE amount to what we naturally produce.

 

[muscledoc1]

40mcg for muscle groups... you can go 60mcg for quads. Say you work back and bi's then inject IM 20mcg in left bicep and 20mcg in right bicep. Three times a week is plenty plus it will make your igf last, keep from downregulating receptors, and not give you that big coleman gut...

Yeap,i agree 100% with this protocol.and to make it even better,add PEGMGF 250mcg. 24-hours before you take the IGF,(just 3xweek).

 

[gridlock]

How many days a week do you take your dose's and are they PW or pre or both. Thanks

4 days a week and only PW. half an hour after I take my HGH.

 

[gridlock]

i know a few that have run IGF upto 160mg daily however they beleive they did not get any better results at this dose as compared to 80mcg daily.

however when run on non consecutive days or just post workout some including myself have found better results running a higher dose of 150 and up to 200mcg.

from what i have read there are a lot of theories stating all sorts of dosing and all holding so called scientific backing for there beliefs and theories, however in truth i think as an individual the only way you will really see what works best for you is by researching on yourself.

ps, looking good in the avatar, looks like you already carry a fair bit of size Gridlock

how long were they taking it for and did the guys that ran it at 160 report any gut growth?

my size has gone up and down the last few months with stress from work so i'm trying to get a lot back on this year. that was taken a couple of weeks back but i swear it was just good light that ended up making me look a lot better

 

[BubbaJohn]

Remember also too much IGF has been linked to prostate cancer **broken link removed**


Finesteride has been effective at controlling this problem because it lowers IGF levels to a degree

**broken link removed**

So whatever you do just research it

 

[myall]

how long were they taking it for and did the guys that ran it at 160 report any gut growth?

my size has gone up and down the last few months with stress from work so i'm trying to get a lot back on this year. that was taken a couple of weeks back but i swear it was just good light that ended up making me look a lot better

lol, lighting can help a lot when it comes to some pics.

only ran it at an increased dose for just over a week but got a few good pounds gain in short period of time,

from the people i know that have ran it at a high dose ed like i said before that did not feel that they got much extra from it, however all seem to state better results running a high dose just pwo,

id imagine if running a high dose every day they cell saturation would be more of an issue, perhaps running it just 3x a week will help prevent to onset of this.

 

[muscledoc1]

Remember also too much IGF has been linked to prostate cancer **broken link removed**


Finesteride has been effective at controlling this problem because it lowers IGF levels to a degree

**broken link removed**

So whatever you do just research it

Actually finasteride has nothing to do directly w/IGF-1 levels,it only supresses the enzyme 5a-reductase,which prevent high DHT levels.

 

[BubbaJohn]

Actually...

Quote from the Journal of Endocrinology, Vol 171, Issue 1, 109-118
"Finasteride significantly decreases prostate weight and inhibits IGF-I gene expression."
"Suppression of IGF-I expression by finasteride was correlated
with decrease in prostate weight"
"daily treatment of male rats with 5 mg finasteride per kg body weight resulted in 30% decrease in IGF-I"

As you can see from the figure once Finasteride was adminstered IGF-I levels were significantly lowered...

Its all in white in black here **broken link removed**

 

[muscledoc1]

Quote from the Journal of Endocrinology, Vol 171, Issue 1, 109-118
"Finasteride significantly decreases prostate weight and inhibits IGF-I gene expression."
"Suppression of IGF-I expression by finasteride was correlated
with decrease in prostate weight"
"daily treatment of male rats with 5 mg finasteride per kg body weight resulted in 30% decrease in IGF-I"

As you can see from the figure once Finasteride was adminstered IGF-I levels were significantly lowered...

Its all in white in black here **broken link removed**

hmmmm,interesting-THANKS.(i do need to look more in to it in further detail,what this probably means is that its affecting IGF-1 levels indirectly).

 

[td1111]

For a larger dose, I feel it would proably be better to divide your shots into 2-4 spot injects, to get better coverage of the muscle. It just seems to me that with one little shot of IGF in a muscle, some of it will reach the muscle, but the veins and arteries will carry a lot of it away and circulate through the body. I'm gonna start a new thread about this.

 

[capdevi2]

Does finasteride prevent the effects of LONG IGF?

Remember also too much IGF has been linked to prostate cancer **broken link removed**


Finesteride has been effective at controlling this problem because it lowers IGF levels to a degree

**broken link removed**

So whatever you do just research it

Does that mean that the use of Finasteride prevents the IGF-1' growth effects from working?
I use a little daily dose of Finasteride for my hair , should I avoid taking finasteride when I'm using Long IGF-1 R3?
The same should be applied when doing a AAS cycle?
Should I stop finasteride use?

Thanks for the information