Killer stack ......I was actually put in touch with Phil heath and Frank Mc grath at about the same time .....both were interested in my help because they heard I was knowledgable ....and wasn't some gay shmoe type or looking to swing from their nuts .....they both were really broke and heard I liked to help people .....Phil health "stack was 800 mg of t-400 and 40 eq .....with zero gh [Frank's was more than double that ].....this was maybe 4 months before his USA win.....he HAD not used gh yet ......[ the guy had zero knowledge of drugs period and was broke as hell ] .....He then got introduced to Jay Cutler and Jay took over from there [getting sponsorship and I am sure hook ups as well].....The last e-mail I reciecved from Phil when I didn't end up helping him said he was looking into gh , winnie ,test , and tren .....but seeing his pics of the usa that yr ...I 'd say he probably didn't use gh ....as his condidtion was very dry and lines were nice and clean ....plus he only weighed 212 .....Do I think the 30 lb he has added the last 5 yrs has made him look better ? Nope .....his head is bigger ...his abs are coming apart ....waist is bigger .....and his muscles look too blown up for my taste .......But the guy is defnately the best in the world right now or at least top 3 ......he is amazing plus on top of that he is a cool guy and reps bbing quite well .......He definately added Gh and I don't think it helped him much .....he is holding more water these days .....he gets ripped ....but looks softer and the lines arent as clean imo .......could insulin have played a role ? Yep ......but if a guy like Dante or Skip say no ,then I would believe them [ Skip isn't going to bs and has known Phil from the very begining.....he saw his genetics from day one and put us together] I don't know why you guys don't get that Dante and Skip are as honest and solid as they come period end of story .......My God ....Dante posts not for the the sake of his business you silly rabbits......he posts because he loves bbing , likes to help others , and wants to maybe keep people healthy as well informed .[ not fooled by internet hersay] Believe me ......he has better things to do with his time .......who do you think he really trying to protect ? I can tell you I know two pros very well [ both have placed top 5 in pro shows in the last couple yrs ] neither uses or likes insulin [both tried yrs ago ....one with Milos and one with my help ]......I don't think it is popular much at all [I did like it myself though].....and I think gh is more popular than ever because it is cheap and available ...... but after a number of yrs ....it thickens the skin...and the skin gets certain look to it .[if you get into the over ten iu doses for long periods ....] you see head , hand , feet , and nose growth .....your seperation decreases......you look watery and puffy while being lean [ probably not healthy either .....thats just and observation .....so gh isnt the end all ,be all that it is being hyped as of lately imo.].....did ronnie and jay use insulin ? I don't know .....but my opinion is yes ......did they abuse it ? Nope they are genetic freaks with great response to drugs, I bet there cycles were in the 2 gram range ......btw my two pro friends are in the 2-3 gram range ......I just think you fellas that aurgue with dante and think he is hiding the truth are so off base ......i personally have known the man for 18 yrs ......he is freaking honest as they come .....he an east coast old school guy and as honorable as they come ....and I put that on my life!!! He went from working for 12 bucks an hour to multi millionare in 7 yrs because he built his rep first over a period of yrs on the net by being honest and helping others......his products are top notch and they speak for themselves.....he doesn't need to pimp his company or himself ......His actions speak for themselves ......I like you killerstack....you are pretty smart and honest yourself .....but this going back and forth with Dante is funny to me ......because if you knew him as I do ....you would see you have been wasting your time .....I promise you he is a solid guy that in person you would like a lot .....