Is this Cycle stupid?

[fender59]

Hi,
Has anyone every seen a cycle done like this. I am in Germany, and the large
bodybuilder at my gym says this is the way that guys do their cycles now when they are trying to get up in weight fast.

It looks like a blast and cruise cycle almost, because you do 10 weeks of injectable, then 2 weeks of orals during the
time between pct and your cycle, then you finally do a 6 week pct, then right back on after a blood test. He says if you do
this you can keep the dosages down and repeat as many as three times before going off for 16 weeks or more.


This cycle looks alot different then the ones I found on the internet, so I thought I would ask, because I dont want
to gamble with this kinf of stuff.


Any help would be appreciated, Thanks alot for your time.

(also I am doing no anabolic, as this is my first cycle, just 500mg Test E, might do 600 eq the second time)







Weeks / Drug

Step 1 (Inj)

1 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e) / Oral ( Anadrol or Dbol)
2 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e) / Oral ( Anadrol or Dbol)
3 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e) / Oral ( Anadrol or Dbol)
4 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e)
5 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e)
6 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e)
7 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e)
8 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e)
9 Test E /Anabolic (deca, eq, or tren e)
10 Test E / Anabolic (if tren e, otherwise, none) / Oral ( Anadrol or Dbol)
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Days/ Drug

Step 2 (non-inj)

Days 1-14 Oral ( Anadrol or Dbol)
Day 15 150mg Clomid / 20mg Nolvadex / Triubulus
Days 16-25 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolvadex / Tribulus
Days 26-35 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolvadex / Tribulus
Days 36-49 20mg Nolvadex / Tribulus
Days 50-56 20mg Nolvadex / Tribulus

Take a Blood test and repeat up to twice more then take 16 or more weeks off.

 

[EasyEJL]

relatively normal as a single cycle, not too sure about repeating it 3x without rest time though

 

[fender59]

relatively normal as a single cycle, not too sure about repeating it 3x without rest time though

That's the part that surprised me to.

 

[EasyEJL]

Well, the part to not forget is "take a blood test". So you should be able to see if LH/FSH/total T/E2/SHBG are all in normal range and if they are running the cycle again is probably not all bad. Just harder to say long term what effects this would have

 

[fender59]

Well, the part to not forget is "take a blood test". So you should be able to see if LH/FSH/total T/E2/SHBG are all in normal range and if they are running the cycle again is probably not all bad. Just harder to say long term what effects this would have

You know, I am starting to get under the impression that HCG is not so common in Germany, from talking to guys. Wouldn't that be important if you are doing 12 weeks on, 6 weeks off, 12 weeks on cycles?

 

[EasyEJL]

valuable yes, critical no. the blood tests are critical.

 

[fender59]

BTW - I am not expecting my levels to be exactly back where they were pre-cycle at 6 weeks of no AAS, 8 weeks of no Injections, I expect them to be higher than they were at 2 weeks of no AAS, 4 weeks of no Injections.

At what point should I say "Ok, I can get back on", now, I understand the most prevalent answer to this type of question would be "Personal Preference", but a good safe hint would help me out.


(btw, would 10 weeks blast (500-750mg), 6 weeks cruise (125mg/clomid/nolva), 10 weeks on , 12-16 off; be healthier? I've got another guy telling me to do that...; Thanks for answering all my stupid questions.)

 

[tkav1980]

if you shorten cycles, they can be done with more frequency. supression will still occour but can be handled batter to allow for faster recovery.

 

[EasyEJL]

At what point should I say "Ok, I can get back on", now,

when they are back to pre-cycle levels, or at least within 5-10%

 

[fender59]

if you shorten cycles, they can be done with more frequency. supression will still occour but can be handled batter to allow for faster recovery.

So how would you do it?

I would rather do a few short cycles in a year, than 2 big ones I think anyway.

Do you mean like 8 weeks of prop/fina (new big thing in germany) and then 4 weeks of HCG/Clomid and repeat, or what?

 

[tkav1980]

read what i posted here, it explains how i would do it.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/beginners-forum/51097-maintaing-after-cycle-2.html

 

[fender59]

So basically?

Weeks 1-4
100mg Prop
50mg Fina
EOD

Weeks 5-7
100/75/50 Clomid (only have 50mg tab, so 75 is 1½)

And then take blood test, and hopefully be ready in 1-2 weeks after pct?

 

[tkav1980]

basically, BUT, you need to make sure bloodwork is in check before you attempt to repeat. Remember this is just my opinion on how i have done things after reading about it on here. i just feel that the shorter the duration of time that you are shut down the shorter recovery should be. that doesnt mean it will be for you.

 

[fender59]

Well brother,
I really appreciate it!

This is what I am going to do 4 on, 4 off, Blood work, then back on when everythings good. I am really excited, lol.

Should I do just prop my first time so I can gauge my reaction (100mg EOD)?

 

[tkav1980]

Well brother,
I really appreciate it!

This is what I am going to do 4 on, 4 off, Blood work, then back on when everythings good. I am really excited, lol.

Should I do just prop my first time so I can gauge my reaction (100mg EOD)?

yes...IMO the less compounds used the better. you can always add more but you cant take away as easily.

 

[kscowboy]

Tk-Did you have any of the adverse sides from tren? WOndering about the insomnia and the libido?

 

[fender59]

I talked to the guy, and he told me that his Tren Ace burns like fire, and he would never do it again, and this guy is a competitive bare knuckles fighter.

From search I think it is related to BA BB content, someone told me just to heat it with a needle inside though.

That is the part that is stressing me out, what if I do 100mg prop EOD, 25-50mg Dbol ED, instead? (doing just prop the first time, but I cant buy just one vial)

 

[tkav1980]

I did not have any sides from the tren. my friend who has taken it couldnt sleep and had some mild ED. just cause i didnt have sides does not mean you wont. an oral wouldnt be the worst idea but id stay away from d-bol or aDrol. personally its too much bloat even with the diet in check. maybe something like var. there really isnt any need for more than one compound to start anyway. start off with one and carefully add as you go.

 

[fender59]

I did not have any sides from the tren. my friend who has taken it couldnt sleep and had some mild ED. just cause i didnt have sides does not mean you wont. an oral wouldnt be the worst idea but id stay away from d-bol or aDrol. personally its too much bloat even with the diet in check. maybe something like var. there really isnt any need for more than one compound to start anyway. start off with one and carefully add as you go.

So for the next 4 or more cycles, prop alone will be fine?