Kidney pain

[LATS]

not long ago i was almost positive i was having a kidney issue.. just a dull pain that was constantly there and it was in my flank and below rib cage on right side.. now my family is known for kidney issues.. my sister lost a kidney at 12 years old.. my cousin had one removed two years ago at 41 for kidney cancer.. so i was a bit anxious as you can imagine..

went in and they scheduled a urine and blood test plus a cat scan of my lower and upper abdominal .. everything came back fine.. but, they did find a nerve root issue in my back which was the probable cause.. they back and its nerves are very complexed..

so anyway.. if you are concerned and you should be.. just ask for a urine and blood work to see if any kidney issues arise in the test.. remember that it could be anumber of things not connected to the kidney.. so try not to panic just yet.. go get some blood drawn and pee in the cup.. needs to be done anyway so it will just be mental insurance at the very least..

 

[dragonfire101]

Popular method is to drink a gallon of distilled water with at least half a glass fresh squeezed lemon mixed in the gallon and add some cayenne pepper extract to that as well if you want to help flush the kidenys.

Cranberry does not do anything for kidney stones some research it may help for UTI, but UTI is not as common in men as it is in women.

 

[pimpman]

Bro, how would these things help with kidney pain? Inversion tables and gravity boots are used for lower back pain, not so much with kidney issues.

it wont.read the first part of the thread he wrote.it start by saying for your pinch back pain.

 

[upeccmi]

Like I mentioned earlier they did the first urine test in the office and he said the protein was at +4, he ordered a ultra sound and a shit load of blood work which I will have done shortly. I want to let the winny and clen work through my system before hand so the work up is a little more accurate.
I have been cycling for 23 years now and this is the first time I have had any concerns. I'm pretty sure the winny has elevated my kidney and the clen has made my blood pressure go quite high (at least I hope so). My mom is on dialysis from diabetes so there is a history to be concerned with.

 

[LATS]

SORRY BRUTHA.. but i hate orals.. use injects from now on.. orals seem to me are asking for trouble sooner or later..

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

Like I mentioned earlier they did the first urine test in the office and he said the protein was at +4, he ordered a ultra sound and a shit load of blood work which I will have done shortly. I want to let the winny and clen work through my system before hand so the work up is a little more accurate.
I have been cycling for 23 years now and this is the first time I have had any concerns. I'm pretty sure the winny has elevated my kidney and the clen has made my blood pressure go quite high (at least I hope so). My mom is on dialysis from diabetes so there is a history to be concerned with.

at 4 grams of protein loss you are going to get worse and worse to the point of needing dialysis and then a transplant........I would get on Lotrel ASAP.....what is your GFR? 24 hour creatinine clearance?

 

[upeccmi]

Dr put me on Lotrel yesterday for my BP and only mentioned to me as I was waiting for my paperwork for my blood test that my urine protein levels were at +4, didn't mention anything else other than to add another test (CPK test) along with about 20 other tests.
I ususally don't use orals very much, this was sort of an "off" cycle to take a break but I usually don't go very high on my cycles anyway. I'm 43 and just looking to stay with it, I don't compete anymore.
Do you think this high level is from the oral winny (made from powder myself) or do you think this is too high for just winny and other varibles are happening as well. As you can tell I am concerned as my back has always been a strong point and never had a problem with it until a few months ago.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

Dr put me on Lotrel yesterday for my BP and only mentioned to me as I was waiting for my paperwork for my blood test that my urine protein levels were at +4, didn't mention anything else other than to add another test (CPK test) along with about 20 other tests.
I ususally don't use orals very much, this was sort of an "off" cycle to take a break but I usually don't go very high on my cycles anyway. I'm 43 and just looking to stay with it, I don't compete anymore.
Do you think this high level is from the oral winny (made from powder myself) or do you think this is too high for just winny and other varibles are happening as well. As you can tell I am concerned as my back has always been a strong point and never had a problem with it until a few months ago.

I think you have had leaking kidneys for a while now.........high BP expedited the inevitable. Was it orals? I doubt it.......it was a combo of high hormone levels and bad diet......genetics mixed in.....over the years

 

[emeric delczeg]

Dr put me on Lotrel yesterday for my BP and only mentioned to me as I was waiting for my paperwork for my blood test that my urine protein levels were at +4, didn't mention anything else other than to add another test (CPK test) along with about 20 other tests.
I ususally don't use orals very much, this was sort of an "off" cycle to take a break but I usually don't go very high on my cycles anyway. I'm 43 and just looking to stay with it, I don't compete anymore.
Do you think this high level is from the oral winny (made from powder myself) or do you think this is too high for just winny and other varibles are happening as well. As you can tell I am concerned as my back has always been a strong point and never had a problem with it until a few months ago.

Try this: drink every day for 7 days 1 glas celery juce 3 times per day, it will lower the blood presure very fast and it will help kidney function, and take 400mg Humanofort per day, Humanofort will help to regenerate the kidney cells, and don`t ever take any orals. Use organic celery for juce.

 

[upeccmi]

***Update** I received an urgent call from my renal specialist with the result of my bloodwork. He was not happy, said my CPK level was almost 3000 (should be no highter than 200) and my liver exzyme was high. He asked me if I was taking anything that breaks down muscle (how ironic for a bodybuilder). I told him I stopped the clenbuterol and oral winny two weeks ago. He had me go from more blood right away, said if it doesn't come down I may need to be admitted to the hospital as the kidneys can shut down. I Googled CPK and it says that it may be high after heart attacks, strokes, or surgery but also may go up after strenuous exercise, so I wonder if that is the culprit here. He knows I bodybuild so not really sure. Anyone have any experiences with this? I did a search and didn't find anything.

 

[Bigfatdog]

Agreed

I've been on trt for over a year. Just one experience with orals, last month. Never again. Took 4 weeks to get to me, but my kidneys and lower back still hurt. I was taking it slow too, I was just barely up to 4 caps a day. 8 to 10 grams of Taurine a day for a week today. It works great till it wears off, but seriously it stopped the pain when no amount of asprin, Advil or Vicodin would.

SORRY BRUTHA.. but i hate orals.. use injects from now on.. orals seem to me are asking for trouble sooner or later..

 

[T TOTAL]

***Update** I received an urgent call from my renal specialist with the result of my bloodwork. He was not happy, said my CPK level was almost 3000 (should be no highter than 200) and my liver exzyme was high. He asked me if I was taking anything that breaks down muscle (how ironic for a bodybuilder). I told him I stopped the clenbuterol and oral winny two weeks ago. He had me go from more blood right away, said if it doesn't come down I may need to be admitted to the hospital as the kidneys can shut down. I Googled CPK and it says that it may be high after heart attacks, strokes, or surgery but also may go up after strenuous exercise, so I wonder if that is the culprit here. He knows I bodybuild so not really sure. Anyone have any experiences with this? I did a search and didn't find anything.

If the CPK is the creatine kinase levels which i suspect it is going by the readings, i had similar readings over a year ago to the concern of the Doctor. I was sent for a stomach scan....kidneys and liver etc and everything was perfect, no fatty tissue or anything abnormal. Also my blood pressure was perfect to. They eventually accepted that the levels had rtaised top 3000 due to heavy training. They had me take some time off, a week or so and low and behold they had dropped to almost normal in that week.

They themselves had made reference to Paula Radcliffe the marathon runner and said after a race her Ck levels would be probably 20,000+........ but they still had me do the tests. I was happy to along with them to be sure though.
I also read an article by Dr John Bernadi ( or Beradi ) re various levels that are and can be raised as a result of bodybuilding training and are often interpretated wrongly by General Practitioners. It says something along the lines that when bloods are taken, its from a blood pool as opposed to the blood thgats actually running through the body and therefore is a false reading....

 

[Myck]

I had an issue with kidney swelling awhile back, nothing too major, just discomfort. If it's not a serious problem, OTC solutions that will help quickly are 6 grams of taurine daily, lots of tonic water w/ quinine, and 200-300mg of supplemental potassium.

 

[upeccmi]

Thanks guys, I will use this info when I go to my appointment on monday and see what he comes up with. I'm sure I will get shit for my readings and usage. I'll post my blood numbers and his take on all this then. Over the 24 years of using, I never had issues but i guess as you get older the body is less forgiving.

 

[upeccmi]

Well I guess it's time for a long rest from gear.....I got my results back:
BUN= 31
Creatinine serum=1.55
eGFR=49
AST=125
ALT=270
Total Cholesterol=233
HDL=26
LDL=183
LDL/HDL ratio=7.0
Immunoglobulin A= 472
Complement C4=46
Vitamin D= 18.4
Creatine Kinase total= 3065

These are the just the highlights. My Renal Artery Dopler (Ultrsound on kidneys) says "No evidence of renal artery stenosis.

I am waiting for another reading of my Creatine Kinase, also going for a Ultrasound of my liver next week. I follow up with another blood workup in 6 weeks.

Bllod pressure is down, on Lotrel, he lowered dose a bit.

 

[minister]

Still on 50 mgs oral winny and small dose of anavar and 100 mgs of clen. I just went to a hypertension/renal doctor as my bp was 180/110 he is sending my for blood work and a untrasound as my back is still hurting. He checked my urine in the office and he said the protein is a +4, not sure what that means but is concerned.
I will be going for my blood work and ultrasound but want to stop everything before hand (especially the winny) as I feel this is the culprit.
Any advise?
I will update with results.

Bro, Is your BP always high? Were you on some other stuff besides winny,var and clen? Out those 3 the clen probably contributed to your high BP the most, clen is one of the most misunderstood drugs, it is not as friendly as people think , since it could affect the soft tissue of the heart and prostate, it can cause enlargement of the ventricles in some people, therefore raising your blood pressure and even causing cardiac hypertrophy, however these could be reversed if not severe after discontinuing use, glad you stopped it , I wonder if the protein number they gave you is your creatinine protein, but I think the only way to get that number is with blood work, but if that is your creatinine is very high, normal is 1 to 2. this one is also easily reversable. Let us know how things turn out. God bless you bro.

 

[upeccmi]

My creatinine was 1.55. My creatine Kinase was 3065, they took it again 2 days later and went down to 2800, you get this by taking a CPK enzyme test. My Dr was concerned about the number as your kidneys can shut down, after doing research he agreed this high number is probably due to working out (normal # IS UNDER 200). I'm pretty sure my values got all messed up from my last cycle, which was finished in mid-November (100mgs prop, 100 mgs masterone, 100 mgs tren enathate with 100 mcg of clen and 50 mgs of oral winny. After this I cycled down with just the 50 mgs of winny and 100 mcg clen with 2 weeks of 20 mgs avavar until I stopped everything 2 1/2 weeks ago because of my BP. I feel confident that the tren and winny messed me up and clen attributed to the high BP but I will take a much needed rest from gear to let the old body recover. I'm certainly one of those stupid ones who has his cycles just run together and never really take much of a break, I don't go super high in dose but I never give my body much rest. Multiply that by 24 years of doing this and I guess I should be lucky I can still look forward to a cycle again eventually.
Dr wants me in 2 weeks to go for a liver ultrasound and another cpk test and in 6 weeks I will fully test again. Waiting for my urine test results (24 hour time 3 different kinds) which I will also repeat in 6 weeks.

 

[minister]

My creatinine was 1.55. My creatine Kinase was 3065, they took it again 2 days later and went down to 2800, you get this by taking a CPK enzyme test. My Dr was concerned about the number as your kidneys can shut down, after doing research he agreed this high number is probably due to working out (normal # IS UNDER 200). I'm pretty sure my values got all messed up from my last cycle, which was finished in mid-November (100mgs prop, 100 mgs masterone, 100 mgs tren enathate with 100 mcg of clen and 50 mgs of oral winny. After this I cycled down with just the 50 mgs of winny and 100 mcg clen with 2 weeks of 20 mgs avavar until I stopped everything 2 1/2 weeks ago because of my BP. I feel confident that the tren and winny messed me up and clen attributed to the high BP but I will take a much needed rest from gear to let the old body recover. I'm certainly one of those stupid ones who has his cycles just run together and never really take much of a break, I don't go super high in dose but I never give my body much rest. Multiply that by 24 years of doing this and I guess I should be lucky I can still look forward to a cycle again eventually.
Dr wants me in 2 weeks to go for a liver ultrasound and another cpk test and in 6 weeks I will fully test again. Waiting for my urine test results (24 hour time 3 different kinds) which I will also repeat in 6 weeks.

Well, my prayers are with you bro, I know you will be just fine. Just use a more cautious approach bro, I'm an older guy myself, 46 to be exact, been cycling off and on for 12 years, but as I got older I realize that my body didn't recover as fast and side effects were a little worse, blood work started coming up a bit off, so I decided that I was gonna stay off longer then the time I was on, I shortened cycles dropped doses and switched to more friendly compounds. It's up to you your choice of AAS and doses, but I have used this approach for the last 5 years without a problem. Remember we do this to be strong and healthy. God bless you bro.