Low Doses For a First Cycle- Want To Go The Conservative Route...

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, I've been researching for a while on several boards. I took some time away to really focus on my diet and training. I know alot of guys recommend Test@500mgs/wk and Dbol@30mgs/ed or Deca@300-400mgs/wk. I have access to all the basics. I'm 33 years old, 6'3" 235lbs and 8% bf. I'm NOT after the typical 25lbs most seek on a First Cycle. My goal is 10-12lbs of dry mass. Here's what I came up with. I wanted to start low to see if I respond and build from there. I REALLY want the focus to be on my diet & training, not gear. Let me know what you think.

Test E@300mgs for 16 weeks
EQ@400mgs for 16 weeks

or

Test E@300mgs for 12 weeks
Tbol@40-50mgs/ed weeks 1-6

I purposely kept the Test low to eliminate the possibilty of using an AI(ie.Arimidex or Letro). Thanks in advance for any and all input!!

 

[ALLEX]

Just the test @ 300mg for 10-12 weeks will do it...

 

[Dad]

Just the test @ 300mg for 10-12 weeks will do it...

Agreed, and what is tbol?

 

[ALLEX]

Agreed, and what is tbol?

Oral Turinabol.

 

[thebrick]

first cycle??... 300 mgs/week test will do wonders. No need for anything else at this time.

 

[aw1218]

i definitely will throw the Tbol in! EQ does not do anything to me, but ppl react differently with various compounds

 

[n8ia]

i did 500mg per week for ten weeks and had really good results. might have pushed a little hard with the food and gained a little to much weight ok i'm fat but i had great results. I am very glad i went low and slow with my first cycle. plan to stay off for 10 weeks then go back on again with the same cycle

 

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, which do you like better with the Test? EQ? Or Tbol?

 

[tap]

Ive never tried tbol, but Ive done eq with test and for me its better to run eq at a lower dose than test or I have unwanted sexual sides.The same is true for nandralones.I have to agree with some of the other guys that 300mg of test is plenty for a first cycle.My 2nd cycle was 250mg test enanth wk for 10wks and I made tremendous gains , 20 lbs and body fat stayed about the same.If you eat and train right your 1st cycle of test is going yeild some really good gains.

 

[paulwigan]

forget deca. Stick with test. 300mg should be enough for a first cycle.

 

[shoestring]

Just the test @ 300mg for 10-12 weeks will do it...

This is all you need.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Ok guys, the general consensus is 300mgs of Test E or C for 12 weeks, right? As is with no AI(ie.Arimidex, Letro, ect...), right? Or should I include Arimidex at a low dose(.25mgs ED) since I want to stay dry?

 

[Texas Ranger]

Bump...

 

[6.8SPC]

Everyone is different of course, but I had zero estrogen related sides (actually zero side effects period) on 250mg a week for my first run. I had nolvadex and arimidex on standby just in case, but I used neither until pct wher I used nolva + clomid but no A.I. I personally feel that on such a low dose, unless you are extremely estro sensitive, you would be better off leaving the Adex out. I am glad I started with a low dose for myself, I still made great gains while keeping the stress on my body to a minimum. You could even shorten the length to 8-10 weeks just to get your feet wet and still make impressive gains(I did 8 weeks). Have fun, you'll love it.

 

[Swifto]

Excellent choice. I did this form a first cycle with 500mg/wk Test Enan. Loved every minute.

I also ran Proviron at 25-50mg/ED, though wish I used a proper AI.

 

[Jarconis]

you gonna use any igf for pct to help keep the gains?

 

[Texas Ranger]

Everyone is different of course, but I had zero estrogen related sides (actually zero side effects period) on 250mg a week for my first run. I had nolvadex and arimidex on standby just in case, but I used neither until pct wher I used nolva + clomid but no A.I. I personally feel that on such a low dose, unless you are extremely estro sensitive, you would be better off leaving the Adex out. I am glad I started with a low dose for myself, I still made great gains while keeping the stress on my body to a minimum. You could even shorten the length to 8-10 weeks just to get your feet wet and still make impressive gains(I did 8 weeks). Have fun, you'll love it.

6.8SPC, how were your strength gains on 250mgs of Test/wk? How much did you gain? What brand of Test did you use?

 

[Texas Ranger]

you gonna use any igf for pct to help keep the gains?

No sir, no igf for me.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Excellent choice. I did this form a first cycle with 500mg/wk Test Enan. Loved every minute.

I also ran Proviron at 25-50mg/ED, though wish I used a proper AI.

I read one of your old threads about Proviron. I'm going to run it at 50mgs/ed with my PCT.

 

[ACE44]

Everyone is different of course, but I had zero estrogen related sides (actually zero side effects period) on 250mg a week for my first run. I had nolvadex and arimidex on standby just in case, but I used neither until pct wher I used nolva + clomid but no A.I. I personally feel that on such a low dose, unless you are extremely estro sensitive, you would be better off leaving the Adex out. I am glad I started with a low dose for myself, I still made great gains while keeping the stress on my body to a minimum. You could even shorten the length to 8-10 weeks just to get your feet wet and still make impressive gains(I did 8 weeks). Have fun, you'll love it.

6.8,

How did you do for gains on an 8 weeker? Where you focused completely on bulk or were you trying to keep you gains lean? Im curious I have been contemplating running an 8 or 9 week test cycle pretty soon here. Any other details on your 8wk run would be much appreciated.