muscle decompensation question....time

[W8killa]

OK..say you have trained Chest balls to the wall on Monday. Your workout was something like
4 sets inline bench
4 sets incline dumbbell
3 sets flat bench
3 sets cable crossovers
Only the last set is taken to failure and say you use some added intensity principles such as rest-pause/negatives on the last set.
So here's the process...maybe
Days 1-3 recovery?
Days 3-5 Growth?
Days 5-???? Until your muscle starts to atrophy
So The question is this; how long will it take after you have theoretically grown after training until the muscle decompensates or gets smaller?
Any university studies?

 

[Soulstealer]

OK..say you have trained Chest balls to the wall on Monday. Your workout was something like
4 sets inline bench
4 sets incline dumbbell
3 sets flat bench
3 sets cable crossovers
Only the last set is taken to failure and say you use some added intensity principles such as rest-pause/negatives on the last set.
So here's the process...maybe
Days 1-3 recovery?
Days 3-5 Growth?
Days 5-???? Until your muscle starts to atrophy
So The question is this; how long will it take after you have theoretically grown after training until the muscle decompensates or gets smaller?
Any university studies?

unfortunately I cant give links to any studies but I do remember reading that a single workout taken to failure requires upwards of 2-3 weeks for complete tissue regeneration... in this study they took live tissue biopsy to tell when the tissue had fully healed.... maybe you can find it on google scholar...

 

[W8killa]

Is this a secret? I stupid question? too vague? Not about TP4u so noone cares?

 

[halflife]

OK..say you have trained Chest balls to the wall on Monday. Your workout was something like
4 sets inline bench
4 sets incline dumbbell
3 sets flat bench
3 sets cable crossovers
Only the last set is taken to failure and say you use some added intensity principles such as rest-pause/negatives on the last set.
So here's the process...maybe
Days 1-3 recovery?
Days 3-5 Growth?
Days 5-???? Until your muscle starts to atrophy
So The question is this; how long will it take after you have theoretically grown after training until the muscle decompensates or gets smaller?
Any university studies?

If there was an ONE answer for everyone, this whole debate of high/low freq, failure/leave 2 reps in the tank, O/T then take long times off... would be pointless.

This is like finding the fountain of youth for training programs. If you happen to fund a 100% constant for everyone as far as time to recover, atrophy, etc. let me know... PM me, I'll give you 5% of the income, which would be millions if not billions.

 

[flexmaster]

Is this a secret? I stupid question? too vague? Not about TP4u so noone cares?

the answer is too specific to each person. its highly dependent on the individual...

 

[V3ng3anc333]

the answer is too specific to each person. its highly dependent on the individual...

yup,

anabolics,
nutrition,
training of other bodyparts,
cardio,
rest,
work,
...

When people start thinking about things like muscle decomp. and other things alike i think you are getting to technical with bodybuilding. Recovery time is not always same even for the same individual.

 

[Kaiser]

Is this a secret? I stupid question? too vague? Not about TP4u so noone cares?

Maybe because they do not understand the question. You probably mean "decomposition" or "atrophy", not "decompensation".

 

[W8killa]

Ok...I think "the everyone is different" is completely over-used. Basically everyone is the same ( 99.99999%) when it comes down to it. If this wasnt the case we woldn't have surgical procedures that work for nearly everyone. If that was the case there would be no "exercise science". As you know science is based on rules and principles that are infallible or irrefutable.
You and I build muscle the exact same way. Maybe not at the same rate but it takes the same recovery process to repair the muscle.I was wondering if anyone had some thoughts on the subject.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

it is individual, and very hard to measure, since everyone trains with different degrees of isolation.

right now i'm not training as frequently bec of school, so i use heavy compound movements that hit most of the body, even if it is not direct... this will give some stimulus. for example, i might not train chest for over a week, but the pecs have gotten stretched out from heavy back squats, and worked as a stabilizers when i've done pullups and chins. so it is really not easy to say that they have not been worked at all. i can be confident that that slight stimulus has kept them from really atrophying. the only way you could really study this, is if you had an immobilized subject and were manually applying electric stim or something.

look at people who don't even weight train and then injure limb and have it put in a cast. there will be significant atrophy. that tells me that even sedentary activity plays a large role in our muscle maintenance.

 

[inoverdrive]

Ok...I think "the everyone is different" is completely over-used. Basically everyone is the same ( 99.99999%) when it comes down to it. If this wasnt the case we woldn't have surgical procedures that work for nearly everyone. If that was the case there would be no "exercise science". As you know science is based on rules and principles that are infallible or irrefutable.
You and I build muscle the exact same way. Maybe not at the same rate but it takes the same recovery process to repair the muscle.I was wondering if anyone had some thoughts on the subject.

I have to disagree, if that was the case then why cant i get the same results asthe other guys here. Genetics is very different in everybody. So no 2 people will ever be the same. We all build muscle different and have differnt intensity levels. I do think your getting too technical (just my opinion). Im sure Phil can chime in and give you his view as well as other pro's here.