Powerlifting question's

[Buildinthaskinnys]

1. What factors determine the strongest deadlift stance?

2. For sumo pulls, feet pointed out or straight ahead?

 

[natabolic]

1. sumo tends to use less quads, and more glutes/hams/lower back.. so if you have weak quads, stick with sumo usually if its comfortable for you. i prefer sumo, even though my quads strongly overpower my hams, i can still always pull more sumo.

2. feet pointed out always for me.

 

[gelatine]

1. Practice will make a huge difference. If you never do sumo, you will have a weak sumo. There is carryover though, so alternate until you get a good feel for both, then let preference be your guide.

Generally, people with longer arms can do a bit better with sumo. Heavier people tend to go towards conventional because it lets you leverage your weight better.

2. In line with your knees.

 

[Buildinthaskinnys]

Thanks for the replys, I want to clarify though, when I mean factors I am refering to body proportions.

 

[natabolic]

Thanks for the replys, I want to clarify though, when I mean factors I am refering to body proportions.

then, as i had stated above. strong hams, lower back, and glutes usually give you a stronger sumo.

 

[Buildinthaskinnys]

then, as i had stated above. strong hams, lower back, and glutes usually give you a stronger sumo.

So you dont need any of those things to pull strong conventional style?

This is what I mean smart alleck, if you have, Long arms, and/or long legs, short back, short femor, or long tibula etc. etc. What do you think gives the best leverage advantages?

 

[natabolic]

So you dont need any of those things to pull strong conventional style?

This is what I mean smart alleck, if you have, Long arms, and/or long legs, short back, short femor, or long tibula etc. etc. What do you think gives the best leverage advantages?

well of course you need them to pull conventional as well. but when i pull conventional i also find quads come into play quite a bit more than sumo, with less hams.

sorry if i was a "smart alleck" lol. guys with longer arms, and just taller guys in general can USUALLY pull more weight sumo style. again, as stated above, usual training comes into play. if you arent trained in sumo, you may not be as strong when first starting out.

 

[maldorf]

All I know is from my personal experience and that sumo are much easier for me. It seems to take the strain off my lower back. If I go conventional I feel like all of the stress is in my lower back. Much stronger at sumo here.

 

[Buildinthaskinnys]

All I know is from my personal experience and that sumo are much easier for me. It seems to take the strain off my lower back. If I go conventional I feel like all of the stress is in my lower back. Much stronger at sumo here.

Just curious, whats the difference in weight between the two pulls for you?, for me it is 30 pounds more on conventional, but I only started training the sumo, so time will tell, I guess. For me the difference in completion is huge though, the start is harder in the sumo but I lockout harder, and the opposite is true for the conventional style.

 

[gelatine]

I can pull a good 625 or so conventional, and barely 450 sumo. It feels like I have no leverage at all with it, but I so rarely train it I think that's the real issue. I'm 6'0", 32" inner hip crease to floor, 90" wingspan at fingertips.

 

[witefall]

If you are really interested, I'd recommend you have a PL evaluate your body and watch you pull. He/she will be able to tell you pretty quickly which style you could go farthest with.

 

[BigTex]

1. What factors determine the strongest deadlift stance?

2. For sumo pulls, feet pointed out or straight ahead?

The lift-off
Like someone else stated, where are you strongest, quads or hip and glutes?

The distance the bar must travel
The shorter the distance the less work involved.

Bar path
Which stance keeps the load (bar) closest to the centerline of the body?

Lift time
is there any difference in which stance you can move the load quicker?

Sticking points
where do you normally get stuck? Sumo usually pull hard off the floor and stick on the 2nd half of the lift. Conventional are usually slower or stick off the floor and pull hard on the 2nd half.

On most of these there are some biomechanical advantages for the sumo stance, however, you have got to find out where you are the strongest and feel the most comfortable.

Yes, point the toes outward and lift off the back and outer 3/4 of the foot.

 

[maldorf]

Just curious, whats the difference in weight between the two pulls for you?, for me it is 30 pounds more on conventional, but I only started training the sumo, so time will tell, I guess. For me the difference in completion is huge though, the start is harder in the sumo but I lockout harder, and the opposite is true for the conventional style.

I was a good 30 lbs stronger on sumo and that was on day one when I first tried doing them sumo! Once I trained sumo the difference became even more apparent. I never again did dead conventional. Conventional feels awkward to me and I feel as if I struggle too much getting if off the floor to start. I felt it all in the lower back. I feel like with the sumo I was able to get my hips into it more. My squat was always the strongest lift, and doing deads sumo felt more like doing squats to me. I was pulling about 455 for 6 on the sumo dead lift and doing the same weight for about 12 reps on the squat.
Oh I am 6 foot tall and have a long torso with short limbs for my height. Maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[dropshot001]

sumo is harder to break off the floor, but easier to lock out. less strain on the lower back. if i was powerlifting, i would pull sumo instead of conventional.