Question about doing front dumbbell raises with thumbs pointing up

[Jake LaMotta]

I am currently in physical therapy right now due to some shoulder problems. My PT has me doing front dumbbell raises with my thumbs pointing up. What is the difference between doing them this way and the regular way (thumbs pointing in)? My buddy muscle96ss gave me some insight but I would like to hear what you fellas think as well.

Also has anyone ever done front barbell raises using this kind of bar?:

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If so, what kind of results did you get?

 

[oldfella]

I am currently in physical therapy right now due to some shoulder problems. My PT has me doing front dumbbell raises with my thumbs pointing up. What is the difference between doing them this way and the regular way (thumbs pointing in)? My buddy muscle96ss gave me some insight but I would like to hear what you fellas think as well.

Also has anyone ever done front barbell raises using this kind of bar?:

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If so, what kind of results did you get?

When you lift with palms down, thumbs pionting in you actually rotate the shoulder out of the socket, so to speak. Your shoulder will be better supported by the thumbs up posi. and actually hits the front delt a bit harder and leaves the side out of the movement. I have been doin front raises like this for years. Also less impingment through the AC joint at the top of the movement.

 

[SVFootball]

When you lift with palms down, thumbs pionting in you actually rotate the shoulder out of the socket, so to speak. Your shoulder will be better supported by the thumbs up posi. and actually hits the front delt a bit harder and leaves the side out of the movement. I have been doin front raises like this for years. Also less impingment through the AC joint at the top of the movement.

good to know! maybe ill try mine like that....

 

[dragonfire101]

thumbs pointed down internal rotation and impingement of the tendon occurs pointed up is external rotationand opposites occurs. If you have shoulder issues you can do alot of movements with a neutral grip(hammer grip) to reduce impingement.

 

[Dad]

THe problem with this is that the biceps is a weak flexor of the shuolder.

Doing thiumbs-up grip put extra strain on the long head biceps tendon. IF you're going to do these, it would be good to work the weight up over several weeks. If you use 25 lb dumbels now, startat 10-12 and add a little over time to get back up to 25.

I've seen LOTS of problems with this.

 

[oldfella]

THe problem with this is that the biceps is a weak flexor of the shuolder.

Doing thiumbs-up grip put extra strain on the long head biceps tendon. IF you're going to do these, it would be good to work the weight up over several weeks. If you use 25 lb dumbels now, startat 10-12 and add a little over time to get back up to 25.

I've seen LOTS of problems with this.

Shit I guess I should drop the 20kg d/bells. Only kidding. yes you are quite right. You need to do thes very strict and controlled. Start with a weight you can handle safely and build from there. As I said, (i think) I have been doing front raise like that for years. Shoulders are in pretty good shape considering age (48). But yes I go heavy on these cause I can. I will work up to 27.5-30kgs pre contest. That's the 60's for non metric people. It is a great front delt pec tie in developer.

 

[Jake LaMotta]

Anyone ever use this kind of bar (with the wider grip) when doing this exercise?

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What kind of results did you get?

 

[thebrick]

Any PT will tell you that any movement you can do for the shoulder with thumbs up or palms up is better for the shoulder cuff because it rotates the joint into a postion to be able to operate with much less impingement. This is why I do not do upright barbell rows anymore.

 

[ironfreak83]

Any PT will tell you that any movement you can do for the shoulder with thumbs up or palms up is better for the shoulder cuff because it rotates the joint into a postion to be able to operate with much less impingement. This is why I do not do upright barbell rows anymore.

yeah i absolutely can't hardly do upright rows anymore. im gonna try the thumbs up dumbell raises though.

 

[pimpman]

thumbs pointed down internal rotation and impingement of the tendon occurs pointed up is external rotationand opposites occurs. If you have shoulder issues you can do alot of movements with a neutral grip(hammer grip) to reduce impingement.

how the heck can you do this with thumbs pointing down.do you mean pointing in right.

 

[Boo]

When you lift with palms down, thumbs pionting in you actually rotate the shoulder out of the socket, so to speak. Your shoulder will be better supported by the thumbs up posi. and actually hits the front delt a bit harder and leaves the side out of the movement. I have been doin front raises like this for years. Also less impingment through the AC joint at the top of the movement.

In the video I've seen of Flex training under Charles Glass, they ( Flex and his training aprtners ) are doing seated versions of these. They do not go very heavy on this movement.

Boo

 

[oldfella]

In the video I've seen of Flex training under Charles Glass, they ( Flex and his training aprtners ) are doing seated versions of these. They do not go very heavy on this movement.

Boo

I suppose it depends on what you call heavy! I can use a twenty kg or 45lber in each hand. Yes there's a bit of cheating going on but it is very hard to do. steady and strict is the preferred method. it will allow more feeling through the front delt and better control on the negative. Seated version is always harder than standing!

 

[Boo]

In the video, Flex and two very big boys are using 35's and 40's. Yes, heavy is a relative term.

Boo