Real gear and PH cycle ?

[Thor]

ok so hypothetically speaking if someone( older guy with lots of cycles and years of lifting experience under his belt) were to have some test and eq and also some PH would you guys think it would be better to do them together or do the gear first then PH or PH then gear? size and strength being the objective here, reason I am asking is I have heard conflicting advice and just wondering if anyone here has done them together for synergy or not. hope this is not bending the rules and if so mods please delete. opinions?

 

[A50#]

ok so hypothetically speaking if someone( older guy with lots of cycles and years of lifting experience under his belt) were to have some test and eq and also some PH would you guys think it would be better to do them together or do the gear first then PH or PH then gear? size and strength being the objective here, reason I am asking is I have heard conflicting advice and just wondering if anyone here has done them together for synergy or not. hope this is not bending the rules and if so mods please delete. opinions?

I guess it depends on the PH. I used a PH stack over the past summer and experienced nothing but side effects. I would stick with the EQ and Test.

 

[Muay Thai]

It depends really

i have had some of my guys start off on phs

some start off on test hrt dose

imo if they aint ready for test, let him do a 6 week halodrol cycle, have him do a real pct, during this time he should really focus on his training and dieting becuase this is when the growing occurrs. fundamentals are built. nobody really has all their shit together their first cycle, its a learning experience!

 

[rAJJIN]

Im not a big fan of the proHormones Thor.
Id rather have the test and eq myself

 

[Thor]

Thanks guys

I am currently searching this and other forums for info on this, RAJ, yea me too but I know one guy at my gym that has done them all at the same time (someone told me ) and he has been in MD ( show coverage) and is very strong and thick as hell. I guess I should just ask him.

 

[speedbacker]

Thor, which ph is it?

 

[A50#]

I am currently searching this and other forums for info on this, RAJ, yea me too but I know one guy at my gym that has done them all at the same time (someone told me ) and he has been in MD ( show coverage) and is very strong and thick as hell. I guess I should just ask him.

What PH's are you specifically talking about Thor? I used Methyl 1 D and Methly Masterdrol and wasnt pleased to say the least.

 

[vadim_b1]

gear, ph
its all the same in the end, they are hormonal substances that affect your metabolism
you need to evaluate specific compounds and not look at the whole picture
dont automatically label ph as being safer or milder simply because they are legal, there are a lot of "ph's" that are basically rejects from the pharmaceutical testing done in the 50's and 60's, in the way that they are way too toxic or full of side effects for the beneficial effects that they provide.

having said that
i still stand by the fact that testosterone should be the first cycle for everyone, as its a natural hormone and your body and yourself know what to expect from it.

 

[Dezzy]

gear, ph
its all the same in the end, they are hormonal substances that affect your metabolism
you need to evaluate specific compounds and not look at the whole picture
dont automatically label ph as being safer or milder simply because they are legal, there are a lot of "ph's" that are basically rejects from the pharmaceutical testing done in the 50's and 60's, in the way that they are way too toxic or full of side effects for the beneficial effects that they provide.

having said that
i still stand by the fact that testosterone should be the first cycle for everyone, as its a natural hormone and your body and yourself know what to expect from it.

I agree. Excellent Response.

 

[cb11mass]

agreed there are only 2 or 3 products out there that are actualy PH's the rest r just designers and old unpopular orals.

 

[Muay Thai]

agreed there are only 2 or 3 products out there that are actualy PH's the rest r just designers and old unpopular orals.

care to elaborate bro

 

[machola]

there are some good ones out there. this guy used otc legal steroids only. http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40939&page=3
effectiveness? nuff said.
phill sells some good ones

 

[The Striated One]

I guess it depends on the PH. I used a PH stack over the past summer and experienced nothing but side effects. I would stick with the EQ and Test.

What were the most noticeable side effects of the PH's if you don't mind me asking?.............I'm currently experiencing quite a bit of sinus pressure and was wondering if it's a possible side (blood pressure?) or just a head cold.

 

[Thor]

HEY YOU GUYS

Thor, which ph is it?

it is M-drol and 1,4 AD Bold 200 and was just wondering if it would benefit a test e and eq cycle, or would just be better after.

 

[vadim_b1]

you could kickstart the cycle with m-drol

 

[MilitaryMuscle]

it is M-drol and 1,4 AD Bold 200 and was just wondering if it would benefit a test e and eq cycle, or would just be better after.

the bold 200 is supposed to convert to eq anyways..... so that would be kinda pointless.

I could see the M-Drol (superdrol clone i think?) being used to start the test/eq cycle for weeks 1-4 or use it in the middle once everything has kicked in.

 

[speedbacker]

you could kickstart the cycle with m-drol

agreed

 

[cb11mass]

care to elaborate bro

The only "PH's" for sale otc that are actualy precursors to hormones are BOLD as was mentioned which I believe has something like an 8% mg conversion to eq. M1,4AD which is supposed to convert to D-Bol. Finaly 1-androsterone and 4-androsterone which are supposed to convert to 1-AD and 4-AD which convert to 1-test and testosterone respectively. Legal gear also has that mastedrol out which is supposed to convert to stenalone but havent read or heard much on that. The rest superdrol-modified anadrol; halodrol-modified turinabol; pheraplex-DMT;oxyguno-methylated 11-keto testosterone; furzadrol- unmethylated winni; epistane-methylated epistanol.

This is all from recall so some info maybe alittle off.

 

[Muay Thai]

The only "PH's" for sale otc that are actualy precursors to hormones are BOLD as was mentioned which I believe has something like an 8% mg conversion to eq. M1,4AD which is supposed to convert to D-Bol. Finaly 1-androsterone and 4-androsterone which are supposed to convert to 1-AD and 4-AD which convert to 1-test and testosterone respectively. Legal gear also has that mastedrol out which is supposed to convert to stenalone but havent read or heard much on that. The rest superdrol-modified anadrol; halodrol-modified turinabol; pheraplex-DMT;oxyguno-methylated 11-keto testosterone; furzadrol- unmethylated winni; epistane-methylated epistanol.

This is all from recall so some info maybe alittle off.

oki i have tried most all prohormones except furaguno, oxyguno, and furzadrol

cel m1,4AD had bad reviews

i like halodrol epistane superdrol. any other ones worth trying or powerful enough to yeild results solo like sdrol?

i remember when epistane first came out it was like 50$ for a bottle now its 25$ lol
i just ordered a bottle of ibe brand hope its up to par with RPN I had good results with havoc

 

[A50#]

What were the most noticeable side effects of the PH's if you don't mind me asking?.............I'm currently experiencing quite a bit of sinus pressure and was wondering if it's a possible side (blood pressure?) or just a head cold.

The most noticable sides were a nasty case of gyno and feeling lethargic constantly. I had some bad headaches, almost migraines and a rise in BP.
I pretty much seen no positive gains at all.