Receptors and competing

[slimslow]

I have enjoyed the dark side for almost 12 years now. Up through 2005 I would say it was moderate...never exceeded a gram of test a week in my life. I had done 20 weekers though but always tried to match my on time and off time. 05 was my last year for doing any shows.

From July 07 to May 08 I was off
May08 to August 08 was on (12 weeks)
August 08 to Feb 09 was off
Started test (600mg)/tren ace(350mg) in Feb 09, stopped after 6 weeks from an injury.
was off until June 09
Started test (600mg)/tren ace(350mg) in june and went 4 weeks...another injury

Been off the last 8 months.

My goal is to do a show in May of 2011. I have been training now for 3 months and want to slowly bring gear back into the picture. My plan was to go 12 weeks on, 12 weeks off then really get into it January of next year.

based on my past how well do you think my receptors would receive low dosages? I'm looking for opinions on how much test I should use now and my next cycle of 2010 toward end of summer.

 

[tenny]

so you want us to tell you how much to take???

i wanna make sure im reading this right

 

[slimslow]

Kind of...I'm not looking for anyone to design my cycle...I just know some people in the industry know the science behind how your body absorbs the supplements. A person who is a first timer can use 400mg of test and grow. I'm trying to find out, based on my past, how low can I go? I used a decent amount from the late 90's to 05 but since then you can see its very little and I didn't know if your body ever goes backwards to where you can get great results with less.

 

[tenny]

well......no one here can tell you
the only way would be to take less and see

i mean, if you took years off, it would prolly work like the first time
but once your not a virgin...........your not a virgin

you get what im sayin??

 

[slimslow]

LOL..yes I got ya. I figured it was worth a shot. (no pun intended)

 

[lv426]

it might be worth your time to read about synthetine by synthetek. might help you do well on lower doses.

 

[gordo14]

I'll say this one last time.

Receptor saturation is a myth. There is no way to cleanse your receptors. You will grow as much off of 500mgs as your training diet and gear will allow(and it is different for everyone). And you will grow as much as 1000 mg's will allow.

Time off vs time on is for HPTA recovery.

How much you can gain on a specific dose can only be gauged by you. We can't geuss how you respond to specific doses.

 

[SantiagoMuscle]

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[gordo14]

Receptor saturation is not a MYTH??

If you have a bus station with 200 parking stalls....and you have 250 busses trying to park, how many can park....200. The othe 50 just drive around until a stall opens up, or it runs out of gas. Do you see the Analogy.

I would like some other experienced guys to chime in on this one if they would.

The real question is how do you keep your receptor sites cleansed. there are theories, anyone care to share?

Its bro-lore. No science to back it up. 500mgs of test is 500mgs of test today.......tommorrow.......5 months from now........five years from now.

Lets here somes "THEORIES".

 

[slimslow]

Receptor saturation is a myth. There is no way to cleanse your receptors. You will grow as much off of 500mgs as your training diet and gear will allow(and it is different for everyone). And you will grow as much as 1000 mg's will allow.

Time off vs time on is for HPTA recovery.

How much you can gain on a specific dose can only be gauged by you. We can't geuss how you respond to specific doses.

I don't believe its a myth at all. You can only absorb so much. would love to get some more opinions.

 

[slimslow]

there have got to be some guys or gals on this board with the proof i'm looking for. gear use is human physiology, its science.

 

[dr intensity]

progressive training = muscle gains.
super diet + AAS + rest = progressive training.

if diet and rest is upto the super level and still training is not progressive then i think AAS needs to be increased.

if any part of the equation is not upto the mark = no progressive training=no muscle gains.

 

[Busamuscle]

The cellular response in the presence of excess test is to produce more androgen receptors. Now the only question is how many will be produced and for how long.

 

[maldorf]

Receptor saturation is a myth. There is no way to cleanse your receptors. You will grow as much off of 500mgs as your training diet and gear will allow(and it is different for everyone). And you will grow as much as 1000 mg's will allow.

Time off vs time on is for HPTA recovery.

How much you can gain on a specific dose can only be gauged by you. We can't geuss how you respond to specific doses.

I agree 100%. The only way youd have to worry about receptor site saturation would be if you took a dose so big that every single receptor in your body was occupied by a steroid molecule at any one time, and that the excess had nowhere to bind. No research has ever been done on such a thing and probably never will. The amount of drugs needed to reach this point is probably so high that its not even practical.
Anyone that has been using steroids for a long time can attest to the fact that they need a higher and higher dose as they grow larger in order to keep gaining mass, but that has nothing to do with receptors being saturated. If receptors were saturated, then it wouldnt matter how large a dose of AAS you took, you would not gain any more mass. The fact remains that once you grow larger you can push yourself even further later on by taking more. SO I dont think anyone has ever saturated their receptors.
The reason you need to keep taking more and more is that the increase in muscle mass requires more AAS to maintain itself and to grow. If someone stops taking AAS they will shrink back down to a smaller size. If this person goes back on AAS again, several years later, you could guess that they probably wont need as large a dose if their muscle mass is lower than before. Ive not used anything for about 2 years now, and would probably make some great gains off just 500 mg/wk test. Im down about 30 lbs of muscle though. Before I had my heart attack I had used doses in the grams per week of different compounds. There is noway I would need to use that much now to grow.

 

[SantiagoMuscle]

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[machola]

If receptor Saturation was amyth every Joe Blow using gear would be a monster....bottom line.

Why are you so convinced that its "receptor saturation" that is the reason for this? What about genetics? Look at Phil's most recent thread.

 

[maldorf]

Then you should be able to bang down 2..or 3 GRAMs of test a week and be as big as Jay Cutler in no time....LMAO.

why isnt everyone as big as the Pros??? Genetics, receptors.

Everyones body is diifferent in how many receptors there are, and how you utilize the Gear. Plain and simple.

Go ahead and prove us wrong. Bang 3 grams a week and gain that 150 pounds ...then post the pics.

If receptor Saturation was amyth every Joe Blow using gear would be a monster....bottom line.

YOu are very short sighted in your views. The number of receptors and saturation is just one of many variables that determine muscular growth. How about native muscle fiber types? How about the innate number and density of muscle fibrils within a muscle? How about nutrients and how well they are absorbed and utilyzed? There is a plethora of variables that affect how fast you can accumulate muscle.

 

[SantiagoMuscle]

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[maldorf]

Thats not what the thread is about. ????

Not short sited at all. But 1 example was....then everyone should grow like a weed if receptor saturation is so called br-lore.

Maybe Joe blow #1 bangs 1Gram of T. His Genetic code only allows him to utilize 300mg.

Joe blow #2. 1 gram and he can utilize all of it and then some.

Thats why i said GENETICS. Bottom line receptor saturation is not a myth. that was what this thread is about and now all of the so called "wide sighted" members are goin OFF TRACK.??

receptor saturation?????????????

In order to saturate someones receptors, that person would have to take an extraordinary dosage of steroids. Its not going to happen with 1 g or even 2grams. There are other factors holding individuals back from growth. We all have different genes, and youre acting like the number of receptors is the only factor at play. Thats short sited. IMO, not many individuals ever even get near to saturating their recpetors.

 

[natabolic]

I agree 100%. The only way youd have to worry about receptor site saturation would be if you took a dose so big that every single receptor in your body was occupied by a steroid molecule at any one time, and that the excess had nowhere to bind. No research has ever been done on such a thing and probably never will. The amount of drugs needed to reach this point is probably so high that its not even practical.
Anyone that has been using steroids for a long time can attest to the fact that they need a higher and higher dose as they grow larger in order to keep gaining mass, but that has nothing to do with receptors being saturated. If receptors were saturated, then it wouldnt matter how large a dose of AAS you took, you would not gain any more mass. The fact remains that once you grow larger you can push yourself even further later on by taking more. SO I dont think anyone has ever saturated their receptors.
The reason you need to keep taking more and more is that the increase in muscle mass requires more AAS to maintain itself and to grow. If someone stops taking AAS they will shrink back down to a smaller size. If this person goes back on AAS again, several years later, you could guess that they probably wont need as large a dose if their muscle mass is lower than before. Ive not used anything for about 2 years now, and would probably make some great gains off just 500 mg/wk test. Im down about 30 lbs of muscle though. Before I had my heart attack I had used doses in the grams per week of different compounds. There is noway I would need to use that much now to grow.

maldorf nailed it! THE REASON YOU CANT GROW FROM SMALLER DOSAGES ONCE YOU GET UP TO BIGGER DOSAGES IS BECAUSE YOU ARE CARRYING MORE MUSCLE THAN SMALLER DOSES ALLOW!!! NOT RECEPTOR SATURATION.(which is a myth)

Receptors do not "saturate" i dont believe there has been ANY studies that prove the myth. but someone cant grow from 300 mgs anymore if they needed 1000mgs to get to 250, 260, whatever. case and point.