rIgf1...Not IGF1 LR3

[juliuspleaser]

Where can one find or if its even possible to even get R igf1...ive read that LR3 doesnt do much for muscle growth and that recombiant igf 1 is

and what the hell is Des (I-3) IGF-1???

 

[juliuspleaser]

i guess no one knows

 

[physicslifter]

check with Nian....thay've got IGF, but I'm not sure if it's lr3 version or not...

 

[Dianabolic]

There are sources that carry rH-IGF1 and much cheaper then the LR3 version of IGF1 but it is less potent and does'nt last as long before being bound or broken down so you have to use more frequent injections. Also from what I understand one must spot inject into the muscle directly for good results unlike the LR3 version due to the high rate of degradation. Most use the method with the LR3 anyways to maximize effects although not necessary for use.

One good thing about the rH IGF1 is the reduced side effect of non muscle tissue growth such as the intestines because by the time it reaches those tissues there is much less available for attachment to the receptors there! That is a plus along with the price so maybe it is better who knows there is not enough research on the IGF1-LR3 to say for sure which one is really better for muscle growth.

 

[Smooth_Silk]

hint hint one of our dedicated sponsors should carry

 

[BadGenCD]

I can't figure out who carries rH-IGF...can someone pm me

 

[Michael]

PM for me too, please!

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

I'm curious to whether its actually better for muscle growth than lr3, and how should it be taken.. Should it be taken on "off" days as well? I work out 3x a week...would that be multiple injections during those 3 working days only, or 7 days a week?

*and also interested in any and all spots that carry it so please hit me up

 

[Blade_HST]

From someone named Razorripped on another board:

After many years of making countless posts on LR3 IGF-1, I've finally tired of the topic.
This will be my last post ever on LR3 IGF-1.

1) Gropep,who invented LR3 IGF-1, altered the protein chain for prolonged lab experiments. Once the protein chain was altered, IGF-1 lost it's muscle building properties once converted to LR3 IGF-1

2)Yes, some legit research has shown that IGF can multiply muscle fiber, but there is ZERO research on LR3 IGF-1, nor will there ever be. It was meant for lab cultures only

3) Should you get IGF-1, it is rendered useless by using acetic acid, since you need the correct pH and ionic environment for the peptide chains to unwind. HCL is what's needed.

4)The bulk of the response to IGF comes from it's ability to act as a sensational glucose disposal agent. This is the part where IGF's name, "Insulinlike", comes to the fore.

5) I'm convinced any weight gain on LR3 IGF-1 is an uptick in glycogen/ water retention.

6) Myself, along with several friends ,conducted studies on ourselves running LR3 IGF-1 at 3 different doses. Since LR3 IGF-1 is touted as some miracle mass builder, we never used steroids in our experiments. At 100 mcg, 150 mcg, and 200 mcg no one experienced muscle gains after 4 weeks on. Yes, we had hydrostatic testing done before during and after each experiment.

I think you get my point ....no more LR3 IGF-1 debate for me. You want to piss your money away, go for it.

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

wow...first I heard that AA ruins IGF..but Ive heard that Hydrochloric Acid is okay at 10mM solution...dont know who carries that though.

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

another interesting post, Dat.......I think I got this right...my understanding is that lr3 leaves the muscle too quickly and heads to the gastrointestinal tract, however IGF-1 prebound to IGFBP3 & ALS is ideal because it stays put..in the meantime you're better off with boosting your GH and raising natural IGF levels as opposed to injecting lr3.
rIGF-1 is most likely more effective for actual muscle growth that lr3, but maybe not that great either, depending on how long it can stay within the muscle.

 

[muscledoc1]

Great info as usual Dat!!!

 

[Blade_HST]

Thanks Dat, it has been my conclusion as well that all these fancy IGF-1 and MGF products will not give any permanent gains, it seems to be a temporary swelling that subsides once you come off. I know some will say different, but I think they're simply unable to differentiate between gains they would make over the course of 4-6 weeks or more of training and massive eating anyway (usually with an AAS/slin/GH cocktail).

I'm very interested in the GHRH and GHRP peptides, though - I cannot say how impressed I am with your research and knowledge in this area!

There's a good reason why several anti-aging and HRT docs are (slowly) abandoning synthetic GH and incorporating GHRPs and GHRH now.