Short High Dosed Cycles

[Elvia1023]

Long one but I will get there in the end Before I start please do not make this into a health thread and how high hormones are bad (we all know this). I have mentioned health as it is important but it annoys me how many threads turn into such debates and usually arguments. Furthermore I am well aware I am nowhere near the level of development these dosages should be used at. This is more a plan and a few random thoughts. Obviously lower/higher dosages can be used but a similar system followed. I generally keep things very simple but I do love to experiment too.

I have had short blasts planned for awhile and it may not be till next year but I definately think I will start them. This will most likely be something like 6 on 6 trt and so on. Longer cycles build more muscle (obviously)... changing diet and training when hitting a plateau and then upping dose if needed. However the key phrase I plan to follow for the next few years bodybuilding is shocking the body. This will be done through training but also hormones... I plan to rotate compounds alot more in the next few years.

Muscle takes time to build but we mainly grow in spurts in a way... from height to wisdom teeth etc. I have planned an aas system that will hopefully help shock my body into growth whilst minimizing the time on high hormones. It goes against the traditional upping your dose through your cycle in a sense.

It's been discussed many times and I believe doing very high doses for 4 weeks is better for health in most ways than doing moderate-high doses over 5 months or so. Many disagree and I understand both sides of the debate but I don't want to bring health into this in the slightest. This is about shocking the body with alot of gear and nothing else. Obviously though I will get hit with various side effects there is no helping that as I will be flooding my system with a alot of hormones. It will be interesting to see how I respond when I decide to do it.

This system would be ideal when someone has been off or on trt for awhile. We hear some of the famous bb's used systems like this to get past plateaus which is great. I doubt the big guys went on trt for awhile after... probably went back to their base of whatever... 3 grams perhaps. Like with anything aas related gains vs health come into play... do what your prepared to do.

I reckon when I do it I will blast big for 28 days then go down to say 800mg per week consolidation period for a further 4 weeks then back to trt for 8 weeks or so. I think that may be an interesting approach. Many do very short cycles such as 2 weeks which I think are pretty much crap. Again muscle takes time to build but I think this system will flood the body with the hormones and the consolidation period will prevent any major crash. I can understand guys saying but why go lower your only as big as your dose but with that logic we might as well stay on huge amounts all the time. Personally I want to try very high doses but I don't want to be on them for extended peiods. This system gives me that plus I think with the 2nd phase due to what the body just experienced (shock) gains can still be made and at worst consolidated to a decent degree.

You get the shock orginally but your not dropping down really quick (short esters used for blast). This will be done with a base of about 800mg long esters with the short ones as the main components. I will probably run 350mg tren as I struggle with it but I foresee something like the following...

Weeks 1-8= Test C at 400mg
Weeks 1-8= Deca at 400mg
Weeks 1-4= Test A/P at 150mg per day (1050mg)
Weeks 1-4= Tren A at 100mg per day (700mg)
Weeks 1-4= NPP at 150mg per day (1050mg)
Weeks 1-3= Adrol at 100mg per day or Dbol at 60mg per day.

Weeks 1-4= Insulin at 10IU twice daily (approx 4 days per week)
Weeks 1-8= HGH at approx 10IU daily

This style could be used by people who cycle or ones that blast and cruise. Instead of the 800mg long estered 8 week run many may want to simply do their trt dose to prevent any major crash post blast. However for people who cycle then I definately recommend the consolidation phase as I feel 4 weeks is not enough time especially if your gonna shutdown straight afterwards. For some cycle users I would recommend a tapering down of hormones at the end.

Thoughts?

 

[nothuman]

Like the idea. It's like a mini Paul Borreson type cycle but not as high of a dosing regiment. Short high dosed cycles could work. Curious if anyone else has done anything like this.

 

[dudcki27]

I believe I read it here and they were call short burst cycles. I think it was like 6 weeks and high doses. You could also do more cycles per year which would leed to more growth.

 

[dudcki27]

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/2-4-week-cycles.html

Here's a thread on 4 week cycles.

 

[dudcki27]

The 2-On, 4-Off Steroid Cycle: A Case Study

Found this in a thread here

 

[rock75]

Elvia, PM me ur email, I have a sheet on short blasts that I'd like to send to you...

 

[GreenEarth]

I've seen a lot of threads and very good explanations as to why short blasting is a great idea, but to be honest I'm not entirely convinced. Despite all the talking about it, I really have yet to see someone log a cycle like that and really get some good results from it.

It seems like in the time you blast, you'd REALLY want to be getting the most from your workouts. So out of curiosity, do you plan to up your days at the gym? Or be there longer? With shorter cycles you naturally have less time to grow, so it would seem like you would be trying to tear as much tissue down in that short period.

Definitely in this thread for some discussion. This interests me.

 

[275bills]

Sounds like a solid plan , did u get the idea to blast with the short esters while cruise on the long from bfg ?

 

[Elvia1023]

Like the idea. It's like a mini Paul Borreson type cycle but not as high of a dosing regiment. Short high dosed cycles could work. Curious if anyone else has done anything like this.

I am sure some vets have done these type of cycles at some point. Although it would probably be more like 4 on 4 off (off probably being about 600mg) 4 on etc.

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/2-4-week-cycles.html

Here's a thread on 4 week cycles.

Thanks for all the links matey... really appreciate it. I will check them out later... need to go the shopping now.

Elvia, PM me ur email, I have a sheet on short blasts that I'd like to send to you...

Done

I've seen a lot of threads and very good explanations as to why short blasting is a great idea, but to be honest I'm not entirely convinced. Despite all the talking about it, I really have yet to see someone log a cycle like that and really get some good results from it.

It seems like in the time you blast, you'd REALLY want to be getting the most from your workouts. So out of curiosity, do you plan to up your days at the gym? Or be there longer? With shorter cycles you naturally have less time to grow, so it would seem like you would be trying to tear as much tissue down in that short period.

Definitely in this thread for some discussion. This interests me.

I know of people who have done such cycles with great results. But like with anything they tend to start going on the high doses more and more. Generally I don't think training needs to be increased on higher dosing... although that would depend upon the existing training regime. However I would personally add in another day so 5 days per week and of course everything would be pushed as hard as I could. I think it may be counterproductive (in some cases) if say you have always trained for 1 hour then suddenly you do 2 hours just cos your on high doses. Although shocking the body is always good I just think there should be a balance.

Sounds like a solid plan , did u get the idea to blast with the short esters while cruise on the long from bfg ?

No matey not at all. Although that was a good thread I have read quite a few threads on here about short cycles. Plus the paul borrenson stuff (great read). My mate has actually just started one. It was probably more the 2 week cycle thread on the first page that brought this idea back into my head. I have a few mates who rotate compounds every 4 weeks too. Although they tend to just blast all the time so abit different... but sort of similar

 

[SL1CED]

Through experience, I prefer moderate length and moderate dose. Every steroid, for me, takes 2-4 weeks to kick in.

 

[Elvia1023]

Through experience, I prefer moderate length and moderate dose. Every steroid, for me, takes 2-4 weeks to kick in.

Have you tried suspensions? I was gonna add obviously test p could be test s and so on. Also inj adrol, dbol could be used amongst many. I find it hard to believe every steroid takes 2-4 weeks to kick in but everyone is different. Although I understand peoples logic in preferring longer cycles as I do myself.

 

[SL1CED]

Have you tried suspensions? I was gonna add obviously test p could be test s and so on. Also inj adrol, dbol could be used amongst many. I find it hard to believe every steroid takes 2-4 weeks to kick in but everyone is different. Although I understand peoples logic in preferring longer cycles as I do myself.

I have not.

But I found the only steroid that took less time than that is Superdrol.

I usually see Primo working at 4 weeks or so(talking about the look of my delts), EQ takes a little less for me. Tren and Masteron usually take 2 weeks(I use Prop and Acetate esters).

I don't mind "kicking in" by blood, I mean by me noticing day by day effects or week by week effects. That's why I like 8-16 week cycles.

 

[xxl1]

Have you read "Building a Perfect Beast" ? All about shorter cycles and it would be worth checking out. Cycles also start with high androgenic compounds and moves to lower androgenic compounds.

 

[BG]

Without reading all of it, i think i got the gest. I like the idea IF we are talking about breaking plateau's OR someone that has reached their genetic max WITH gear! sn: i believe most haven't and need to adjust training and or nutrition.

But, for the above mention, i think it makes sense

 

[Elvia1023]

Without reading all of it, i think i got the gest. I like the idea IF we are talking about breaking plateau's OR someone that has reached their genetic max WITH gear! sn: i believe most haven't and need to adjust training and or nutrition.

But, for the above mention, i think it makes sense

I am a million years away from reaching my genetic limit with gear. I usually stay around 1.5g total of gear for most cycles. Last time I cut I used about 400mg total so my dosages are all over the place. However I don't think this system would just be good for people at their max. Sure the big guys used short super high dosed blasts to break plateaus but they obviously didn't go on trt afterwards. They would have pushed it msot of the year.

People don't have to do 3 grams... they could do 1.5 or 6 if they want... everyone is different and at different stages of progession. I think this sort of system could benefit many. An example could be doing short blasts of 4 weeks or so and 6 weeks trt and rotating compounds each time. But you do your 150mg (approx) trt test throughout so it is a constant... apart from the guys who prefer short estered test for trt (I am not one of them).

This is just another method but of course longer cycles are best (more time on high hormones usually). I know guys who do approx 16 week cycles and rotate compounds every 4 weeks or so.

I will hopefully start something like I listed after summer and will log my progress, side effects etc.

 

[Elvia1023]

Just something to make people think. First I should mention I am far from having good genetics so it doesn't really apply to me. But have any of you ever seen some literally transform in a matter of weeks? I am not talking about putting on 20 pounds of water from adrol. I mean literally look like a different person. I have and to me that shows the power some drugs can have. We all need different amounts but under the right conditions I think most can make huge changes in a fairly short time frame.

When the body is shocked it responds and big changes can be a result. Look at peoples first cycles... obviously you will never get that back but those artificial hormones hitting the blood for the first time shocked it. What about a first time you took tren. I helped a mate out with his cycle once and put him on 200-300mg tren per week and in 3 weeks he was literally a different person. So I know for a fact big changes can be made in a short time under the right circumstances.

I am not saying this is better than dosing 4g per week for 20 weeks... that would be silly. But to me it will shock the system and give you time to consolidate and prevent any major crashes. Time on the super high doses is short but lets not pretend it's not healthy in any way just better than taking those doses another 10 weeks on top. This is about building muscle though and not health. I agree with the guys who say slow but constant progress and little bumps in doses but this is just another system to consider.

 

[dudcki27]

A short bust test\tren suspension cycle really sounds like a plan. I think I'm gonna hit that up in the winter. My favorite bulks are dirty bulks too so a shorter cycle is more appealing with that kind of diet. In 6 weeks I'm not gonna gain much fat.

 

[MrSaturatedFat]

What are your thoughts on cruising on 150mg for up anywhere from 10-16 weeks, then blast with 1 - 1.5g of anabolics for 8 weeks, then back to your 150mg cruise?

 

[J.Lizzle]

Where are the posts/thread from BFG about the short cycles?

 

[MightyJohn]

I love blasts...don't forget test suspension :headbang: