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Started Black Tops Today. Dosing Protocols.

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Started today -
Ostarine 25mg daily
Eq 300mg weekly
Test Cyp 200mg weekly
Black Tops 2-4ius daily

My initial dosing schedule for hgh was in the AM. and on occasion post workout.

However, I wake up and work out on an empty stomach. It's not fasted training per say as it hasn't been 24 hours since I last ate, but it's been 8-12 hours.

I've found (over the past few years) I have much better, stronger, harsher workouts when I get up and go.

So... I did some googling re waking, taking gh and training. Most ppl don't recommend it. Some say pin before bed. Some post workout.

There's about 38 million different posts on this... I've read as many as I can...

This is what I did today -

Pinned my AS in the AM
Took ostarine in the AM
Took 1iu (small amount as I'm just starting) at 1:20pm
Took my pre workout
Took Syntha 6 to use as an intra shake
Worked out
Returned home by 245pm
Took iso whey shake
Eating by 3pm. 2 cups brown rice and 1 baked chicken breast.

Plan to re pin 2 ius 2 hours or so after eating.

Thoughts on this??

It's my first day..

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That looks like a good protocol to me.
I believe Dr. Serano said pinning HGH preworkout is best for muscle growth. I personally don’t think you can go wrong with HGH regardless of timing.
Milos has his guys pin hgh in between every meal when the stomach is semi empty. I pin mine upon waking fasted and again post workout.
 

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That looks like a good protocol to me.
I believe Dr. Serano said pinning HGH preworkout is best for muscle growth. I personally don’t think you can go wrong with HGH regardless of timing.
Milos has his guys pin hgh in between every meal when the stomach is semi empty. I pin mine upon waking fasted and again post workout.
Thanks JJ.
I was hoping you would respond.
Based on everything I've read dosing Seems to vary by individual... I picked what i thought was the most common to begin with.

I'm currently having some hot flashes and my right hand is aching a bit..

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Thanks JJ.
I was hoping you would respond.
Based on everything I've read dosing Seems to vary by individual... I picked what i thought was the most common to begin with.

I'm currently having some hot flashes and my right hand is aching a bit..

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I think when i first started the Meditrope i got real hot too. My hands always get numb when I use my phone. Haha
 

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I think when i first started the Meditrope i got real hot too. My hands always get numb when I use my phone. Haha
Besides the "hot flashes" no other sides besides being hungry...
The occasional ache in my foot or hand but nothing like ppl have mentioned.

Another 2 ius at 550pm.

Which was about 2 hours after my meal. And about 2 and a half hours after my workout.

That totals 3ius for my first day. Tomorrow I'll start with 2ius and follow up with 2ius.

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That looks like a good protocol to me.
I believe Dr. Serano said pinning HGH preworkout is best for muscle growth. I personally don’t think you can go wrong with HGH regardless of timing.
Milos has his guys pin hgh in between every meal when the stomach is semi empty. I pin mine upon waking fasted and again post workout.
JJ, would you say a good rule of thumb is a an hour or more since a meal (to pin gh)??

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JJ, would you say a good rule of thumb is a an hour or more since a meal (to pin gh)??

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I wait at least an hour. Immediately post workout i have a shake. I take my post workout hgh 1 hour later, then eat a meal an hour after that.
 

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That looks like a good protocol to me.

I believe Dr. Serano said pinning HGH preworkout is best for muscle growth. I personally don’t think you can go wrong with HGH regardless of timing.

Milos has his guys pin hgh in between every meal when the stomach is semi empty. I pin mine upon waking fasted and again post workout.



Milos also has them pinning insulin prior to about every meal


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Milos also has them pinning insulin prior to about every meal


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The protocol i saw from Milos was for a pro. Insulin was only used before and after training twice a day. Hgh was taken in between every meal at 4-5ius. It was a hardcore protocol.
Milos said insulin and HGH should be kept separate.
 

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There’s no need to wait to eat. Carbs or any type of food isn’t going to blunt the GH from working.


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You’re not wrong. It’ll still work but it’ll definitely “de-emphasize” GH’s fat burning abilities


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You’re not wrong. It’ll still work but it’ll definitely “de-emphasize” GH’s fat burning abilities


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Agreed with GH fat mobilizing benefits in a fasted state would better


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I've dropped my vial twice. Once before recon and once (today) before pinning. Wondering if I should just recon another one and discard this one??

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Fk it. I'm reconstituting another vial. This one got bubbles after the drop. You live and you learn.

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It’s fine. I’ve dropped vials. Not a big deal. If you want proof then inject the rest of the vial and see how numb your hands get tonight when you sleep. Haha they’ll hurt like a bitch!
 

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It’s fine. I’ve dropped vials. Not a big deal. If you want proof then inject the rest of the vial and see how numb your hands get tonight when you sleep. Haha they’ll hurt like a bitch!
Already threw that one away...
Recon'd another... pinned 2 ius (following the 2ius of what fell)..

Then went on a 4 mile hike. I could feel my hands tingling a bit.

Came home on semi empty stomach took 1iu.

Hands are officially tingling like a bitch!

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Already threw that one away...
Recon'd another... pinned 2 ius (following the 2ius of what fell)..

Then went on a 4 mile hike. I could feel my hands tingling a bit.

Came home on semi empty stomach took 1iu.

Hands are officially tingling like a bitch!

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Get that vial out of the trash and pin it. Hgh is a lot more stable than people think.
 

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I just pinned my 2iu for today.
In the left side of my stomach - fatty tissue. It bled a little which is weird. Now there's an itchy lump there... almost bruised.

Can't be the gh as I've used it before.

Can't be sanitation I use gloves alcohol etc

Could I have hit something in sub q tissue? Should I be concerned?

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I just pinned my 2iu for today.
In the left side of my stomach - fatty tissue. It bled a little which is weird. Now there's an itchy lump there... almost bruised.

Can't be the gh as I've used it before.

Can't be sanitation I use gloves alcohol etc

Could I have hit something in sub q tissue? Should I be concerned?

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Nothing to worry about. You nicked a tiny vein causing site irritation. The abdominal shots swell sometimes which i hate aesthetically.
I do my intramuscular HGH shots in my upper quad. For subQ i use the side of my hip so any irritation won’t be noticeable in the abs.
 

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