Supreme bulking cycle -- critique

[Landmonster]

Hi guys. Here is a proposed theoretical cycle. Please critique for any flaws, or make suggestions for improvement. The goal is lean mass and strength.

Weeks
Injectables:
1-15: Test Cyp @ 1000mg
1-15: Deca @ 600mg
1-15: Equipose @ 600mg

Orals:
1-3: Dianabol @ 50mg daily (split AM and PM)
7-9: Anadrol @ 100mg daily (split AM and PM)
13-15: Dbol @ 25mg + Anadrol @ 50mg daily (split AM and PM)


1-15: MK-677 @ 25mg daily before bed
1-15: Nolvadex @ 40mg daily before bed
1-15: Pramipexole @ 25mcg daily before bed
1-15: Aromasin: not sure of dose?


Support:
-Liv 52, Tudca, milk thistle, and NAC for liver
-Carditone and Cialis for blood pressure
-Baby aspirin, fishoil, and Niacin for heart
-Multivitamin, Vit D3, and ZMA

Other:
-I would like to run IFG-LR3 during this cycle, but not sure of timing or dosing protocol?
-I may be interested in Synthetek's Synthetine pre-workout... not sure.

I will have BPC-157 on hand for injuries or pains as they arise.

 

[ALLEX]

Don't want to bash, but these threads are useless without stats and a bit of history.

 

[sean70ss]

Doses

I can say I think it is way overboard on the orals. And same on the ancillaries but that's me. i do not see the sense in large doses anymore especially health related. no shame in asking I always do. But stats and cycle history would help alot and your diet.

 

[tenny]

2 weeks of AD is just gonna give you blue balls.


honestly if you don't care about blood work off the charts
and feeling like severe shit....then do what you gotta do.

for a "supreme" bulker the doses are mediocre...

but the orals are way off....they are too yo-yo...

 

[Landmonster]

2 weeks of AD is just gonna give you blue balls.


honestly if you don't care about blood work off the charts
and feeling like severe shit....then do what you gotta do.

for a "supreme" bulker the doses are mediocre...

but the orals are way off....they are too yo-yo...

What would you change?

 

[Landmonster]

I can say I think it is way overboard on the orals. And same on the ancillaries but that's me. i do not see the sense in large doses anymore especially health related. no shame in asking I always do. But stats and cycle history would help alot and your diet.

What should I change about the orals?

 

[whiteman]

really no sense in taking the eq. just my opinion. basically dbol and drol do the same thing. like dude says the ancilliaries r over loaded. like dan duchaine used to say.if u cant get big off decca , test, and dbol ur just not getting big.

 

[TeknoViking]

I would drop the eq 100%. Keep the anadrol for the start and drop it half way through, drop all the other orals imo.

 

[ALLEX]

Seriously, I don't understand how people can give or take advice without discussing stats and history first.

I mean, if the guy is a 150 pound kid outta high school, he needs 1/10 of all that gear, if he's a 300 pound beast with 20 years experience and dozens of cycles he probably needs more drugs.

These things are not "one size fits all" you know?

 

[Landmonster]

I would drop the eq 100%. Keep the anadrol for the start and drop it half way through, drop all the other orals imo.

1000 Test,
600 Deca
Anadrol 100mg for 6 weeks?

Would this be superior to the classic "Test/Deca/Dbol"?

I really only wanted to try Dbol and Anadrol in different parts of the cycle to judge how they affect me differently, along with Test and Deca.

Edit: I like changing 1 variable at a time, not 2 or more variables... because it is hard to evaluate what is working.

 

[sean70ss]

Orals

Well here is my take. Tenny has been my trainer for years. He always has said find your sweet spot because no one is the same. I was stupid read all the internet stuff and dosed big. Well felt like shit gains mediocre etc. I thought I was doing it right was 210-215. Sent him some pics he was like you look fat
(honest always) So revamp got off all the shit. Weight went to 182 leaned out got my diet right. All I do is low dose now. 196-198 and lean and still make nice gains. dbol 50mg a day Have went to 100mg a day on adrol but sides were harsh. I think and feel there is a fine balance on how much a body can take. Some guys are obsessed more is better. I dont want to die just to be SWOLE. I like aeromision I run it 25mg eod. Example of my current stack

500mg cyp week
600eq
75 eod tren
50mg mas
25mg eod aeromison

 

[ALLEX]

So, no stats and history, huh?

Then , since it's in the beginner section, I'm gonna assume it's your first cycle and you're very young and skinny.

Then I'll say 400mg test for 12 weeks. There...

 

[Landmonster]

So, no stats and history, huh?

Then , since it's in the beginner section, I'm gonna assume it's your first cycle and you're very young and skinny.

Then I'll say 400mg test for 12 weeks. There...

I'm over 30. 6'1" 285. Done several cycles, nothing crazy... usually with 2 injectables hovering around 1.2g total, rarely any orals. I'm trying to take it to the next level.

 

[ALLEX]

I'm over 30. 6'1" 285. Done several cycles, nothing crazy... usually with 2 injectables hovering around 1.2g total, rarely any orals. I'm trying to take it to the next level.

Well, I'm gonna assume you're around 10%BF with abs. If not, get there before thinking of a bulker.

Then you're huge and very well developed, huh? So, not exactly a beginner.

Well... Logic tells me 1.2g total injectables isn't cutting anymore, so we can think:

Keep 1.2g injects plus an oral. I personally think 50mg of drol is great. Run it for four weeks.

Or simply keep your 1.2g and add calories. Hmmmm... Food works too.

Over 30 and several cycles, probably will not recover, so why don't you experiment with orals a bit? 4 weeks drol, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks dbol, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks superdrol, 4 weeks off and so on?

After that maybe it's time to start thinking about HGH and insulin.

Of course you may add EQ and see if you like it, but run it for at least 20 weeks so it can shine.

 

[nothuman]

Hi guys. Here is a proposed theoretical cycle. Please critique for any flaws, or make suggestions for improvement. The goal is lean mass and strength.

Weeks
Injectables:
1-15: Test Cyp @ 1000mg
1-15: Deca @ 600mg
1-15: Equipose @ 600mg

Orals:
1-3: Dianabol @ 50mg daily (split AM and PM)
7-9: Anadrol @ 100mg daily (split AM and PM)
13-15: Dbol @ 25mg + Anadrol @ 50mg daily (split AM and PM)


1-15: MK-677 @ 25mg daily before bed
1-15: Nolvadex @ 40mg daily before bed
1-15: Pramipexole @ 25mcg daily before bed
1-15: Aromasin: not sure of dose?


Support:
-Liv 52, Tudca, milk thistle, and NAC for liver
-Carditone and Cialis for blood pressure
-Baby aspirin, fishoil, and Niacin for heart
-Multivitamin, Vit D3, and ZMA

Other:
-I would like to run IFG-LR3 during this cycle, but not sure of timing or dosing protocol?
-I may be interested in Synthetek's Synthetine pre-workout... not sure.

I will have BPC-157 on hand for injuries or pains as they arise.

Aspirin and niacin instead of Ubiquinol and Curcumin for heart health????

 

[Landmonster]

Aspirin and niacin instead of Ubiquinol and Curcumin for heart health????

I'm open to more. I'm not sure where to get good forms of those.

 

[nothuman]

I'm open to more. I'm not sure where to get good forms of those.

I use Healthy Origins Ubiquinol and Life Extension Curcumin. Also should get Life Extension Super K.

As for the cycle, I think it looks good considering you're a big guy as long as you're lean already.