Swollen painful hands bloat

[Crazy_jay]

I hope some of you high estrogen guys don't get cancer. Cancer loves estrogen. Dr rand McClain believes men need e2 around 15 and most guys on trt would need .5mg anastozole or 12.5mg exemestane to achieve that(his words, not mine). He's uncertain if low e2 is dangerous, 15 is not low...we have no real basis for side effects of low estradiol in men or not that I've seen. Only references I've seen with low e2 and real issues are guys who don't aromatize and that's an extremely rare condition. I have never found any study with men on ai's that cause low e2 symptoms, actually it was the opposite and ai's weren't strong enough.

Must be nice to just pin and have things work(gifted). For the rest of us, it's a battle getting this shit figured out. Some of have hidden issues like hyperthyroidism that can cause renin and estrogen issues on its own. Hyperthyroidism can cause conversion of T to e1 and e2 in local muscle tissue...increases free estradiol...we don't test free estradiol. A sensitive e2 test still doesn't tell the whole story...Many reasons why it dont wont for some.

And seems cam cure gyno....been there, done that. Would like some studies?

 

[maxrep24]

This gotta be a troll, 10 years of research an you come up with this cycle along with doing “hands” every third day. willing to bet you didn’t do any bloodwork, you’re just saying you did because you knew the only response people will give you to your question is “get bloodwork done”. I’d scrap the entire cycle except for the test and you’re blood pressure medication, you’re gonna fuck yourself up.

 

[slesh]

I hope some of you high estrogen guys don't get cancer. Cancer loves estrogen. Dr rand McClain believes men need e2 around 15 and most guys on trt would need .5mg anastozole or 12.5mg exemestane to achieve that(his words, not mine). He's uncertain if low e2 is dangerous, 15 is not low...we have no real basis for side effects of low estradiol in men or not that I've seen. Only references I've seen with low e2 and real issues are guys who don't aromatize and that's an extremely rare condition. I have never found any study with men on ai's that cause low e2 symptoms, actually it was the opposite and ai's weren't strong enough.

Must be nice to just pin and have things work(gifted). For the rest of us, it's a battle getting this shit figured out. Some of have hidden issues like hyperthyroidism that can cause renin and estrogen issues on its own. Hyperthyroidism can cause conversion of T to e1 and e2 in local muscle tissue...increases free estradiol...we don't test free estradiol. A sensitive e2 test still doesn't tell the whole story...Many reasons why it dont wont for some.

And seems cam cure gyno....been there, done that. Would like some studies?

Last time my E2 was 15 I couldn’t get out of bed and had zero appetite. Lol but go ahead and keep defending the troll OP.

What are you saying cures gyno? Because yes I would like to see studies that show a pill make actual breast tissue disappear. If you think Letro or anything else was going to make the attached pic just go away you’re smoking crack.

 

[aHarness]

I hope some of you high estrogen guys don't get cancer. Cancer loves estrogen. Dr rand McClain believes men need e2 around 15 and most guys on trt would need .5mg anastozole or 12.5mg exemestane to achieve that(his words, not mine). He's uncertain if low e2 is dangerous, 15 is not low...we have no real basis for side effects of low estradiol in men or not that I've seen. Only references I've seen with low e2 and real issues are guys who don't aromatize and that's an extremely rare condition. I have never found any study with men on ai's that cause low e2 symptoms, actually it was the opposite and ai's weren't strong enough.

Must be nice to just pin and have things work(gifted). For the rest of us, it's a battle getting this shit figured out. Some of have hidden issues like hyperthyroidism that can cause renin and estrogen issues on its own. Hyperthyroidism can cause conversion of T to e1 and e2 in local muscle tissue...increases free estradiol...we don't test free estradiol. A sensitive e2 test still doesn't tell the whole story...Many reasons why it dont wont for some.

And seems cam cure gyno....been there, done that. Would like some studies?

How about just keep it in range at a level where you feel good?

Nothing magical about 15. That’s definitely going to be too low for some guys, as @slesh pointed out.

 

[cage99]

@Scuncknuts, can you elaborate on what you mean by working out your hands? I’m a little lost here and curious what you’re getting at. Are you talking about those squeezing grips?

Also, be careful using Letro at all. That shit is strong!!!! .5mg EOD is a lot for say 600mg of Testosterone per week. Obviously having extremely low estrogen for long durations can lead to a myriad of health issues.

Cage

 

[Scuncknuts]

No point in posting my forearm workout to the gods of weightlifting on professional muscle. I cut the gh for one day and then added it back at 2iu and the hand problems are gone. I am wondering if this gh is overdosed. Ive taken much higher dosages of gh for months and months never had these issues

Aside from hand bloat I cant wake up in the morning. Literally cant open my eyes and feel like im a zombie for an hour.

Possibly overdosed gh. Never had this reaction.

 

[cage99]

My question was genuine, and not meant as a dig at you.

The lethargic feeling is caused by GH as well. It’s another common side effect. The lethargic feeling is why I finally gave it up. Just can’t function properly while using it.

Cage

 

[bbxtreme]

No point in posting my forearm workout to the gods of weightlifting on professional muscle. I cut the gh for one day and then added it back at 2iu and the hand problems are gone. I am wondering if this gh is overdosed. Ive taken much higher dosages of gh for months and months never had these issues

Aside from hand bloat I cant wake up in the morning. Literally cant open my eyes and feel like im a zombie for an hour.

Possibly overdosed gh. Never had this reaction.

Or maybe you are using real, full dosed HGH this time.

Most generic out there is all over the place in terms of potency. TP’s and pharma would be the only ones I would be confident in the dosing personally.

Add and adjust it by 2iu slowly and you’ll likely tolerate it better. Some are just more sensitive to it than others.

 

[3BILLS]

I’m going to throw the obvious out there just because this thread has become so painful.

Just pull the HGH and see if it goes away.

To easy

 

[3BILLS]

Last time my E2 was 15 I couldn’t get out of bed and had zero appetite. Lol but go ahead and keep defending the troll OP.

What are you saying cures gyno? Because yes I would like to see studies that show a pill make actual breast tissue disappear. If you think Letro or anything else was going to make the attached pic just go away you’re smoking crack.
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Kinda looks like spicy salmon sashimi

 

[slesh]

Kinda looks like spicy salmon sashimi

I think Dr Levins still has it on ice if you’d like me to ship you a sampler plate with a side of eel sauce

 

[Hyperemia]

Kinda looks like spicy salmon sashimi

I think Dr Levins still has it on ice if you’d like me to ship you a sampler plate with a side of eel sauce