Syntherol in biceps and scar tissue

NY Muscle · Apr 8, 2003

My training partner is using Syntherol, its day 11 and he so far did 7 days of 1ml per bicep then day 8 began 2cc with do that for 10 days then 10 days of 3 cc, he already has hard scar tissue build up on day 11 in the biceps and has to push the pin threw (ripping threw) the scar tissue to get the pin in... he has massaged the living shit out of the biceps ( very very hard and long) after each shot and also hit the gym right after.. but still there is scar tissue (if that is what u call the hard lumps... feels like each head is a long rock)....

he has used 25ga 5/8 inch pins so far and may switch to 25ga 1 inch next.

is this common? any tips? ideas?

thanks.

HOUSE OF PAIN · Apr 8, 2003

WOW BRO! I dont think this is the norm.I have no scar tissue that I can tell and I have done a shit load of bi shots in the last couple weeks(every day). I use 25g 1" needles and push very slow.

NY Muscle · Apr 8, 2003

HOUSE OF PAIN said:
WOW BRO! I dont think this is the norm.I have no scar tissue that I can tell and I have done a shit load of bi shots in the last couple weeks(every day). I use 25g 1" needles and push very slow.

You are using Syntherol? what kind of size gain have u gotten? from what size previous to now? He is concerned about the scar tissue and so am I if i am to try this stuff after he does.

Also where on the biceps are u doing it? he has 7 spots to choose from that he rotates... upper middle and lower of each head ( 6 spots) and directly in the middle.

Big A · Apr 8, 2003

Hell yes he should be concerned about the scar tissue.
Tell him to have a break and have deep tissue work done until it all goes away.

Next time, tell him to inject slower! Also, he should use the smallest needle he can. Syntherol goes through 28g insulin needles. Most use 26g.

He should also vary the depth, not just the site. So definetely he should go deeper.

Dave_19 · Apr 8, 2003

one thing thts helped me post injection, is using this heated electronic massager for about 10 mins per site. same thing chiropractors use. but it seems to heat up the oil a bit and loosen up the site, if you dont have that a lot of guys I know massage it in the shower, If i were him i would give it a break, and maybe next time use a deeper pin, how big are his arms right now, 2cc's isnt a lot but if he has 14" arms that may be a different story

Queefer · Apr 8, 2003

Only 5/8? I use 1.5. The oil must be just below the skin. It would be nuts to continue until the muscle is soft again. Why did he use 5/8? I've never heard of anyone suggesting that size and everyone always says to message until the muscle is soft. Did your buddy do any research? One last thing; I don't believe seo should be used unless you have maxed out your potential for size and or are trying to even out a muscle group (ex:tricep is weaker than bicep). To each his own I guess.

henry · Apr 8, 2003

i'm starting to notice some results. I shot no more than 1ml every time with a small needle. No scar tissue at all and very bearable pain. I put my syntherol bottle in a hot pan filled with water every time i shot.
I like to take a break for 3-4 days: i wait that the pain completely leave my biceps.

NY Muscle · Apr 8, 2003

Thanks guys, Ill give him the advice, we both see the same ART specialist so ill tell him to go have that shit rubbed out.

NY Muscle · Apr 8, 2003

Big A said:
Hell yes he should be concerned about the scar tissue.
Tell him to have a break and have deep tissue work done until it all goes away.

Next time, tell him to inject slower! Also, he should use the smallest needle he can. Syntherol goes through 28g insulin needles. Most use 26g.

He should also vary the depth, not just the site. So definetely he should go deeper.

Big A what length pin did you use and what gauge??

NY Muscle · Apr 8, 2003

Queefer said:
Only 5/8? I use 1.5. The oil must be just below the skin. It would be nuts to continue until the muscle is soft again. Why did he use 5/8? I've never heard of anyone suggesting that size and everyone always says to message until the muscle is soft. Did your buddy do any research? One last thing; I don't believe seo should be used unless you have maxed out your potential for size and or are trying to even out a muscle group (ex:tricep is weaker than bicep). To each his own I guess.

1.5 inch? what guage?
what size arms do u have since u use such a long pin??

Armageddon · Apr 8, 2003

There was a guide that big a put up about shooting seo's. Alot of this stuff can be searched for. But even in his reply he said that it will flow through a 28g, but most use a 26g. Also that you should very the depths from an inch to 5/8 to even 1.5 if you can handle it.
Henry: should you really take the 3-4 days off do to the pain. It lessons as you go and your trying to get the most for your $. It's only a 30day process and then your maintence. I think that the few days rest may add to the dissapation for some and they may not see the results that they think they are going to see. I don't know just a thought.

Anyhow fellas keep us informed on this adventure.

NY Muscle · Apr 9, 2003

Ok he saw his ART Dr., he did some deep ART massagiing on the biceps said it isnt scar tissue yet just hardening and irritation and i "think", not sure he said some sort of shape changing or something, my buddy doesnt recall the termanology he used. He said to use a longer pin and if he is trying to get a "peak" he said to inject the inner bicep like right b4 the bicep meets the tricep he said thet will eventually push up on the top part of the bicep the "peak" he said most guys shoot the top and middle of the arm where they think the "peak" is but he said shoot the other area and watch it push the "peak" up

So he is going to use 1 inch and shoot the inner most and outer most parts of the bicep and give the top portions a rest

As far as length and gauges of pins the only sizes i ever seen as far as small are 25ga 1 inch, 25 ga 5/8, never seen a 26. also seen 28 ga 1/2 inch 29 gauge 1/2 inch and 30 ga 1/2 inch.......when i have gone to my regular Dr's office he has tons of 27ga 1.5 inch tips (light blue wrappers) but no needle source i know of carries those. the only 1.5 inch i have seen are 21/22 gauge... and that will cause scar tissue at that thickness I'd assume.

Anyone know where they carry 27ga 1.5inch or even 26 or 27 gauge 1 inch.

thanks again

HOUSE OF PAIN · Apr 10, 2003

Sorry it took so long for a reply. I have never done seo. I have been using fina and test and do the bi's because the lack of pain and scar tissue and to see if the facia stretches. But I can tell the difference but have not done any measurements. They were 18.5 when I started this cycle.

Queefer · Apr 10, 2003

Hey NY, I use 25guage. My arms are 19.5 pumped. I used 3 bottles of syntherol and 3 bottles of pnp. That was two months ago and I don't think I'll do anymore. My arms were 19 1/4 when I started, and 19 7/8 when I finished. The big difference the oil made was that my arms stayed pumped all the time and were just as big when they were cold as when I worked out. The problem I had with the seo was that it made my biceps really sore and never stopped. I'm probably just a panty waist, but I don't enjoy my arms being sore all the time.

Stud Diesel · Apr 10, 2003

NY Muscle said:
...<snip>... As far as length and gauges of pins the only sizes i ever seen as far as small are 25ga 1 inch, 25 ga 5/8, never seen a 26. also seen 28 ga 1/2 inch 29 gauge 1/2 inch and 30 ga 1/2 inch.......when i have gone to my regular Dr's office he has tons of 27ga 1.5 inch tips (light blue wrappers) but no needle source i know of carries those. the only 1.5 inch i have seen are 21/22 gauge... and that will cause scar tissue at that thickness I'd assume.

Anyone know where they carry 27ga 1.5inch or even 26 or 27 gauge 1 inch.

thanks again

First Post Here.

I have scoured the internet and made numerous phone calls in search of decent length smaller gauge needles. If anybody knows where to find 28g 1”, please let me know.

I do know where you can get 27g x 1.25 needles as I have bought hundreds of them. They’re BD part number 305136. They work well for just about everything, including 250mg/ml enthanate if you’re patient and have strong fingers.

These are not combo’s—you can draw with your 18g and then attach your 27g.

Just goto **broken link removed** and order any needle, for example “23 gauge X 1.5 needle only". Then after you fill in your payment and shipping information, put substitute “23 gauge X 1.5" for “27 gauge X 1.25" in the special instructions.

Hope this helps.