Taking a drastic turn now.

[BigBoyJ]

After using pretty much continually for 8 years or so, I have decided to go natural again. I've been thinking about it for a long time. It just isn't worth it to me anymore. The constant paranoia that comes when you're waiting for an order to come in, the health risks, the constant pokes, the money you spend, the lying and sneaking.....screw all that. I just want to be the best my natural genetics will allow me to be. I don't need to risk so many things in life to carry an extra 10-15 lbs of muscle on me anymore. Actually, the more I think about it, the more ridiculous it seems to stay on.

Anyway, being totally clean is going to be new for me....it's been a while. I've never used hcg and I'm not real sure about it's effectiveness or dosing. Of course, I want to get my natural test going (assuming it'll go at all) as fast as possible.

I know a lot of you guys (the ones with brains) come off occasionally and I figured you'd probably be the ones with the most knowledge on how to get the natural test levels back up as soon as possible.

I'd appreciate any advice any of you have as far as nutrition, supplements, ancillaries, etc.

 

[deadliver]

I guess the question is, what are you on, how long, have you ever cycled off, when are you planning on coming off, yada, yada.

 

[bigman1]

Humanofort should be stocked up on 1st off, also are you willing to use peptides? If so I have heard good things about using IGF for coming off.

 

[BigBoyJ]

After 8 years, I've only been off a couple of times never for longer than a month or two. Never been one to use high doses really. Just hrt doses of T for the last couple years.

I'm just not real sure what would be the best protocol for getting everything working again. I know there's always a chance that I may never get my natural test back to normal ranges, but I figured I'd give it my best shot. If it doesn't work after a year or so, I'll investigate alternatives.....like a prescription. But, I'm engaged and my fiance and I would like a kid at some point, so I really want to give my shot a shot at recovering.

 

[BigBoyJ]

Humanofort should be stocked up on 1st off, also are you willing to use peptides? If so I have heard good things about using IGF for coming off.

Yes, I'm willing to do pretty much whatever would yeild the best results as far as maintaining muscle mass, while still allowing hpta recovery....as long as I can afford it.

 

[deadliver]

I'm no genius

if it was a long acting test ester, start hcg 1 week b4 the ester life is gone, run for 15 days 1000iu e3d, start clomid the same day of your last dose of hcg, day 1 300mg, 2-7 150, 8-14 100, 15-30 50mg, start nolva at day 21 of clomid at 40mg, then drop every 7 days by 10mg. at day 30 of pct throw in lrIgf-1 at 40iu ed (for an additional 30 days). like I said I'm no genious, but it worked for my friends hamster. Its a big ass hamster.

 

[mad mardigan]

Best of luck to you BigBoy. I hope you keep us updated on your progress, as I am interested in how this works out for you. There are alot of supps that may help out here.

Fenugreek extracts
Humanofort
Tribulus Atlatus(a different extract than terrestris)
Avena Sativa
Longjack

And of course peptides and chems like:
igf1-lr3
Clomid

Will be following and wish you the best.

 

[bigman1]

ok, I may take some flames on this but my thoughts are this.

IGF along with Humalog have you been taking HCG through out your time of using?

Are you looking to have kids soon? if so maybe HMG then as well.

Like I said I'm a firm believer in Humanofort for stress relief and hormone balance. I would say talk to emric on the humanofort

 

[deadliver]

also....

I read a post the other night, I cant remember where on this site it is... but I believe the author was chris250, talking about HMG and getting the ladies pregnant. I dont know anything about it, but it made me go... hmmmm. so maybe try finding that article also... in addition to my post above also, you would need to get a blood test done afterwards and try to fix all the cholesterol and liver, etc problems, so some over the counter products would probably be: red yeast rice, vit C, chrysin, milk thistle, fish oil, coQ10, tribestan.... its not all whooshing to my brain right now, sorry.

 

[BigBoyJ]

Now see, I have already learned a lot. Before this thread, I had never even heard of humanofort or HMG. Thank's for the ideas and advice, I appreciate it....if anyone has any other suggestions, keep 'em coming.

 

[BigBoyJ]

How does this sound for a rough draft?

HCG-500 IU's eod for 3 weeks
HMG-75 IU's eod for 3 weeks
Nolvadex-25 mg ed
Arimidex-.25 mg/d
Humanofort-2 caps daily
tribulus & avena sativa supplement-Daily
1000 IU's vitamin E per day to lower prolactin levels
1000 mg vitamin C to help cellular repair
ZMA at night
IGF1-lr3 (once I figure out how to use it )

 

[BigBoyJ]

Good idea, Dad. I added the arimidex into the list. What do you think the dosage and length on the ancillaries should look like?

 

[BigBoyJ]

Oh and another question! I'm not sure of the legality of hcg or hmg. I wasn't able to find any domestic sources that carry it. Anyone know if it's legal for importation from overseas?

 

[Thor]

GOOD FOR YOU BUDDY...

After using pretty much continually for 8 years or so, I have decided to go natural again. I've been thinking about it for a long time. It just isn't worth it to me anymore. The constant paranoia that comes when you're waiting for an order to come in, the health risks, the constant pokes, the money you spend, the lying and sneaking.....screw all that. I just want to be the best my natural genetics will allow me to be. I don't need to risk so many things in life to carry an extra 10-15 lbs of muscle on me anymore. Actually, the more I think about it, the more ridiculous it seems to stay on.

Anyway, being totally clean is going to be new for me....it's been a while. I've never used hcg and I'm not real sure about it's effectiveness or dosing. Of course, I want to get my natural test going (assuming it'll go at all) as fast as possible.

I know a lot of you guys (the ones with brains) come off occasionally and I figured you'd probably be the ones with the most knowledge on how to get the natural test levels back up as soon as possible.

I'd appreciate any advice any of you have as far as nutrition, supplements, ancillaries, etc.

Sounds like someones getting older and wiser, I've been thinking along these same lines myself and I am way older than you I'm sure. I never stayed on for more than 6 months and that was my longest so I can't tell ya what to do for pct cuz I've tried it a few different ways, but HCG during and nolva and clomid after worked decent. Best of luck to ya though and don't be a stranger to this place, okay man?

 

[mikeyt869]

im not sure id spend money on humanofort phil and emeric are good guys but someone on here said they had there cortisol level checked and they were high even after being on humanofort for awhile. I just dont but into it i guess if it was me id suggest a great diet very clean with peptides, slin, hcg, hmg, and clomid.

 

[BigBoyJ]

That does help, Dad. Much appreciated.

 

[BigBoyJ]

im not sure id spend money on humanofort phil and emeric are good guys but someone on here said they had there cortisol level checked and they were high even after being on humanofort for awhile. I just dont but into it i guess if it was me id suggest a great diet very clean with peptides, slin, hcg, hmg, and clomid.

I guess it would depend on if they were getting their cortisol levels checked during or after a cycle. During a cycle, your cortisol levels will be high as hell as your body attempts to achieve homeostasis by countering the effects of the androgens. I doubt it was the humanofort that increased the cortisol, most likely it was just the timing of the blood work in conjunction to andgogen use/recent stoppage that caused the high cortisol reading.

 

[GoneForever]

I personally dont see you recovering after being on for so long but I wish the best of luck to you. I'd be suprised if most could recover after being on a year straight. But if i were to try to reover I would try a 10week protocol:

1st 30days
hcg 500iu's 3x per week
hmg 75iu's 3x per week
Nolvadex 20mg ED


Then
Nolvadex 20mg ED weeks 1-2
Clomid 100mg ED weeks 1-2
Nolvadex 10mg weeks 2-6
Clomid 50mg weeks 2-6

Then wait about 2months after this and get tested. Get tested before so you can get your numbers then do the same after and compare. If its only a small change or no change then you mine as well not be misrable and go on hrt, but if you see improvements then just stay off and keep getting tested every 8weeks to see if you progress. I also suggest running HGH around 4iu's ED the whole time to help you hold onto muscle while your recovering and it should help slightly in restoring hpta. I'd use .5mg cabergoline 2x per week as well if you use the GH.

 

[BigBoyJ]

Thank's for the advice, Fourthgen. I do believe I can possibly recover in time. About a year ago, I got off completely for a couple of months, taking nothing but nolvadex. Even in that short period of time, I noticed an increase in the size of my nuts and by the end of the two months, I was feeling a little better and strength was going up some again. Like I said before, I've never done very high doses. I don't know for sure how it'll go. If I don't recover after a year or so, and I'm feeling like a sissy bitch, then I'll see about legally getting on hrt for life. But, I'm gonna give it my best shot.

 

[Pekkerwood]

Big:

I "recovered" to the low end of normal range after being on almost continuosly for an embarassing number of years, sometimes at embarassing dosages for non-competetitor. I did this with no, zero, zilch, PCT.

It was after a heart problem that claim was maybe a virus on my heart. I was injecting HGH Daily, and other substances weekly, none human grade. I was paranoid to take anything, therefore I went cold turkey.

I got tested after nine months and was low normal and got on TRT anyway to get to high normal.

I don't recommend cold turkey with no PCT, I'm just telling you that its possible to recover. And I doubled and almost tripled your number of years of use.