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Taking Heart health seriously...

Max32

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One of my new yrs resolutions was to REALLY be serious with my heart and take any proactive measures...maybe getting near the 30 mark and getting engaged over the holidays puts things into perspective...

Anyway,

Wanted to make a list of heart protective supplements that I use or am planning on using and what others are doing and have used in the past with good results...the way I see is that we all partake in a hobby that can have some damaging effects to the heart over time, and it never hearts to be a little over zealous in protection...

I'll get this started:

1) giving blood regularly - maybe 1x every couple months
2) Idebenone - thinking this is quite a bit more effective than other forms of coq10
3) L-carnitine (L-tartrate seems to be the most effective form)
4) garlic/allicin(sp?)
5) red yeast rice
6) niacin
7) aspirin
8) curcumin (tumeric extract)
9) fish oil and sesamin extract
 
Coq10, I take its "preconverted" form Unbiquinol.

Also:

Do not neglect limiting stress.

I little over the top maybe but, perhaps getting on echo for "baseline" measurments for size and wall thickness and ejection fraction.
 
I remember the visit to the cardiologist about a year and ahalf or so ago, was paranoid, and was told my heart looked great, like that of a 16 yr old cross country runner, LOL.... obviously, bbuiling can take a toll and the same with other outside stress(es)
 
at 43 this is one of my main things now. i have actually been having chest pains and have been to the doctor however he confirms my heart BP and other things are normal. he thinks the pains are from a muscle pull or old chest infection although im not convinced as they come on in times of stress.

i use fish oil/ eat oily fish / dark choc/ cardio 3-4 times per week.

whats the general thoughts on baby asprin yeah or nay
 
One of my new yrs resolutions was to REALLY be serious with my heart and take any proactive measures...maybe getting near the 30 mark and getting engaged over the holidays puts things into perspective...

Anyway,

Wanted to make a list of heart protective supplements that I use or am planning on using and what others are doing and have used in the past with good results...the way I see is that we all partake in a hobby that can have some damaging effects to the heart over time, and it never hearts to be a little over zealous in protection...

I'll get this started:

1) giving blood regularly - maybe 1x every couple months
2) Idebenone - thinking this is quite a bit more effective than other forms of coq10
3) L-carnitine (L-tartrate seems to be the most effective form)
4) garlic/allicin(sp?)
5) red yeast rice
6) niacin
7) aspirin
8) curcumin (tumeric extract)
9) fish oil and sesamin extract

5, 6 and 7 aren't really needed-unless you are having lipid problems or prone to them-both will raise liver enzymes.
there was a recent article about baby aspirin and that healthy people do not need to take it due to the risk vs benefit ratio. bromelain is ahealthy alternative to aspirin and has many other anti-inflam benefits as well as digestive and immune system boosting and as mentioned Vitamin d is #1 on my list, then fish oils.
 
Bro's a stress test, or nuclear stress test is about the best you can do, along with an echocardigram. Remember that its not always your heart, but the vessels that feed your heart that are usually the culprit. The only way to check those arteries is with a angiogram, which is fairly invasive procedure and will not be done unless a doctor detects a problem first.

I had a heart attack at 41 and was the picture of health. I had 75% blockage of the three arteries that feed my heart, no warning at all just driving down the road. I have had a triple bypass and am doing very well, back to training 100%. This was not gear related as I had only done one cycle in my entire life up to this point. My cholesterol was never more than 212.

Please get regular stress tests done if 35 or older you could be one of the unlucky ones like me, my surgeon told me that about 3% of American males are prone to this type of heart disease and that it has nothing to do with the way you live your life.
 
glad your better

Bro's a stress test, or nuclear stress test is about the best you can do, along with an echocardigram. Remember that its not always your heart, but the vessels that feed your heart that are usually the culprit. The only way to check those arteries is with a angiogram, which is fairly invasive procedure and will not be done unless a doctor detects a problem first.

I had a heart attack at 41 and was the picture of health. I had 75% blockage of the three arteries that feed my heart, no warning at all just driving down the road. I have had a triple bypass and am doing very well, back to training 100%. This was not gear related as I had only done one cycle in my entire life up to this point. My cholesterol was never more than 212.

Please get regular stress tests done if 35 or older you could be one of the unlucky ones like me, my surgeon told me that about 3% of American males are prone to this type of heart disease and that it has nothing to do with the way you live your life.

I read that 50% of people who have heart attacks have "normal" cholesterol and that like 80-90% of people who live to 75+ had high cholesterol levels when they died. Makes you wonder. For me, cardio, fish oil, and coq10 are the tops. Also, anyone ever heard or use EDTA, Arginine? Supposed to clear out arteries. Stress is very key also to manage it properly.
 
Bro's a stress test, or nuclear stress test is about the best you can do, along with an echocardigram. Remember that its not always your heart, but the vessels that feed your heart that are usually the culprit. The only way to check those arteries is with a angiogram, which is fairly invasive procedure and will not be done unless a doctor detects a problem first.

I had a heart attack at 41 and was the picture of health. I had 75% blockage of the three arteries that feed my heart, no warning at all just driving down the road. I have had a triple bypass and am doing very well, back to training 100%. This was not gear related as I had only done one cycle in my entire life up to this point. My cholesterol was never more than 212.

Please get regular stress tests done if 35 or older you could be one of the unlucky ones like me, my surgeon told me that about 3% of American males are prone to this type of heart disease and that it has nothing to do with the way you live your life.

Steel4u, first I want to say I'm glad you recovered so well and are back at 100% training. I'm 42 and worry about this all the time. Have had regular stress test, nuclear stress test, echo cardiogram, etc. All tests come back fine.

Do you have a family history of heart disease? What do you think the cause was? I'm just trying to keep an eye on this stuff.
 
I read that 50% of people who have heart attacks have "normal" cholesterol and that like 80-90% of people who live to 75+ had high cholesterol levels when they died. Makes you wonder. For me, cardio, fish oil, and coq10 are the tops. Also, anyone ever heard or use EDTA, Arginine? Supposed to clear out arteries. Stress is very key also to manage it properly.

As you get older your cholesterol levels increase, my father is 70 and his cholesterol is high, he had a stroke a few months ago but in his 40's he ate more red meat but his cholesterol level's were lower. So of course it's natural for somebody over 75 to have high cholesterol.
 
5, 6 and 7 aren't really needed-unless you are having lipid problems or prone to them-both will raise liver enzymes.
there was a recent article about baby aspirin and that healthy people do not need to take it due to the risk vs benefit ratio. bromelain is ahealthy alternative to aspirin and has many other anti-inflam benefits as well as digestive and immune system boosting and as mentioned Vitamin d is #1 on my list, then fish oils.


Remind me of your rec daily dosage on the bromelain again sir if you don't mind...
 
I have had blood work done for about two years now twice per year always comes back perfect 35 yrs old always anywhere from 185lbs-212lbs always everything comes back in the normal range until my last one about three weeks ago I was told my bad cholesterol was bad (236) they acted like I needed to start a low fat low cholesterol diet...I was eating one to begin with but they acted like my number was way high and prescribed me lipitor 20mg per week and I am suppossed to go have it checked in a month to see what it is... I once was on about 400mgs of human grade watson test cyp and on top of that tren 75mgs ever other day and my everything looked great including liver numbers. So I wonder why the hell my hdl or whatever would just all the sudden go up so high.... when i was on the tren and had the blood test done I was on my 7th week on the tren and test....
 
CT heart scan. Cost about $700.00. Will detect heart disease when all other test come back normal. It can save your life.
 
Remind me of your rec daily dosage on the bromelain again sir if you don't mind...

1800-2000 GDU's per day.

Good thread you started here BTW many need a reminder.

There are some risks with a healthy person daily dosing on Aspirin for heart health according to this article:

Aspirin does more harm than good in healthy people: research

Healthy people who take aspirin to prevent a heart attack are doing themselves more harm than good, researchers have said.


Millions of people - including a substantial number of the "worried well" - take a daily dose of the drug in the belief it will keep them healthy.

But at a conference for leading doctors, British scientists said they have found that for healthy people taking aspirin does not significantly reduce the risk of a heart attack.

At the same time they found it almost doubles the risk of being admitted to hospital due to internal bleeding.

The findings show that for otherwise healthy people the risks of taking aspirin outweigh the benefits. The doctors stressed that patients who had already suffered a heart attack should continue to take the drug.

It has been suggested that aspirin could be included in a so-called 'polypill' with an anti-cholesterol statin and a blood pressure drug which could be taken by everyone aged over 50.

Experts said substantial numbers of 'worried well' take aspirin as a 'just in case' measure believing that because it has been around for such a long time it is completely safe.

The results of a study carried out in Scotland and presented at the European Society of Cardiology Congress in Barcelona has added to the growing evidence that the risks outweigh the benefits for healthy people.

Prof Gerry Fowkes of the Wolfson Unit for Prevention of Peripheral Vascular Disease in Edinburgh, said: “Our research suggests that aspirin should not be prescribed to the general population at this stage.

“Aspirin probably leads to a minor reduction in future events but the problem is that has to be weighed against an increase in bleeding. Some of that bleeding can be quite serious and lead to death.”

Prof Peter Weissberg, Medical Director of the British Heart Foundation, which part-funded the study, said: "A lot of the worried well buy a small dose of aspirin over the counter not understanding that they are increasing their risk substantially of a major bleed."

He said it is known that aspirin does reduce the risk of cardiovascular problems but this must be countered against the increased risk of internal bleeding.

In patients who have already had a heart attack the risk of a second is so much higher that the balance is in favour of taking aspirin.

However, for people who have not had a heart attack the risks do not normally outweigh the benefits.

Prof Weissberg added: "If you have not got clear cut vascular disease that has caused an event while it does reduce the risk (of a heart attack or stroke) that benefit is offset by a worse risk of haemorrhage and potentially fatal haemorrhage."

In the study conducted in Scotland 29,000 men and women aged between 50 and 75 were screened to see if they had furred arteries in the legs, which means they are at high risk of developing heart disease but do not yet have symptoms.

More than 3,000 men were randomly assigned to receive a daily dose of aspirin or a dummy pill and were followed up for an average of eight years.

There was no difference in the rate of heart attacks or stroke between the two groups and deaths from any cause were similar.

However there were 34 major bleeds in people taking aspirin, or two per cent, compared with 20 or 1.2 per cent of those on the placebo.

He said the tablets were only taken 60 per cent of the time during the trial which reflects real life experience in people who have not had a heart attack.

He said in secondary prevention, where people have already had one attack and are trying to prevent a second one, compliance is usually better.

Earlier this year Oxford scientists found that although aspirin could cut the chances of a heart attack in patients who had never suffered one by a fifth, it also increased the risk of stomach bleeding by a third.

Nick Henderson Executive Director of the Aspirin Foundation said: "Aspirin use to prevent primary cardiovascular events is only appropriate where individual patients are considered by their doctor to be at special risk from particular factors such as obesity, lifestyle, stress and a familial history.

"The Aspirin Foundation continues to counsel individuals always to seek medical advice before embarking on a self medication prophylactic regime with Aspirin for whatever reason.

"Medical advocates of prophylactic Aspirin in the absence of previous cardiovascular events accept that potential benefits should be weighed against potential risks such as the bleeding demonstrated in the study by Professor Fowkes."
 
But then again you have studies like this that make me wanna pop an ecotrin a day at least-

Daily aspirin in your forties 'can cut risk of cancer later in life'
Taking an aspirin a day in your forties can cut the chances of developing cancer later in life, according to experts.


Those who take the cheap painkiller for 10 years can reduce the risks of suffering from breast and bowel cancer, two of the most common forms of the disease.

Prof Jack Cuzick, from Cancer Research UK, said that taking the drugs in middle age would "maximise" the benefits when patients were in their sixties, when many cancers develop.

Taking aspirin in your mid-forties could be the "best time" to stop the disease progressing into full-blown cancer, he said. The drug could already be protecting hundreds of thousands of people who currently regularly take it to prevent a heart attack or stroke.

Scientists believe that it works by blocking the effects of proteins in the body linked to inflammation and found in abundance in some types of cancer.

Previous studies have shown that people who take aspirin are less likely to develop breast and bowel cancer, which together affect more than 81,000 people in Britain every year.

Cancer Research UK is also investigating whether the drug could be used to prevent gullet cancer.

But Prof Cuzick warned that scientists needed to identify those at high risk of suffering side effects, which can include bleeding in the stomach and ulcers, before doctors could advise regular use of aspirin to prevent cancer.

Recent studies have suggested that taking the medication in combination with other drugs, called proton pump inhibitors, could help to lower the risk of stomach bleeding.

Dr Lesley Walker, Cancer Research UK's director of cancer information, said: "We need scientists to focus their efforts on how to reduce the side effects of taking aspirin so that very soon it may be possible to use the drug as a way of preventing cancer.

"It's too soon to recommend that people take aspirin to try and stop cancer developing because of the side effects. But survival is low for cancers like gullet cancer so understanding how to prevent the disease is crucial."

Prof Cuzick, from the Cancer Research UK Centre for Epidemiology at Queen Mary, University of London, analysed all the available scientific evidence on the benefits of aspirin in preventing cancer for the review, published in the journal Lancet Oncology.

"Taking aspirin regularly in your mid 40s could maximise the effect this drug has on preventing cancer," he said.

"Taking aspirin at this age, which is about the time pre-cancerous lesions usually begin to develop, may be the best time to stop the disease from progressing to actual cancer.

"And, as the risk of serious side effects of aspirin greatly increase after 60 years old, taking long-term treatment before this age will help to minimise these side effects."

Further research is also needed to uncover whether the so-called "baby aspirin" dose of 80mg a day can offer the protection or if the full standard 300mg dose is needed, he added.

Previous studies have suggested that an aspirin a day can help to prevent liver damage and could be used as a treatment for osteoporosis, or brittle bone disease.

A daily aspirin is recommended to prevent heart attacks in people at high risk of suffering one.

However, doctors have warned that healthy people should not routinely take the drug.

Dr Sarah Rawlings, from Breakthrough Breast Cancer, said: "The potential of anti-inflammatory drugs such as aspirin to prevent some forms of cancer, including breast cancer, is very interesting. However, further research is needed before we can say whether the benefits of using such drugs to prevent cancer outweigh the risks."
 
As you get older your cholesterol levels increase, my father is 70 and his cholesterol is high, he had a stroke a few months ago but in his 40's he ate more red meat but his cholesterol level's were lower. So of course it's natural for somebody over 75 to have high cholesterol.

Absolutely true there. In fact, there are alot of Lancet journal studies that show a large increase in strokes when cholesterol levels for those older in age and having total cholesterol of less than 160. Makes sense when you consider cholesterol is trying to help with inflammation as one gets older.

Good post Wolf.

JM
 
As you get older your cholesterol levels increase, my father is 70 and his cholesterol is high, he had a stroke a few months ago but in his 40's he ate more red meat but his cholesterol level's were lower. So of course it's natural for somebody over 75 to have high cholesterol.

That's why I think that as we age, its even more important to do the cardio. In my experience, cardio has more impact on my cholesterol levels than any supplement ever did.
 
Absolutely true there. In fact, there are alot of Lancet journal studies that show a large increase in strokes when cholesterol levels for those older in age and having total cholesterol of less than 160. Makes sense when you consider cholesterol is trying to help with inflammation as one gets older.

Good post Wolf.

JM

John,
As far as aging and cholesterol goes I was wondering what your thoughts were on the theory that inflammation of the blood vessel causes damage and Cholesterol is the substance the human body will make and use to repair those blood vessels there by "clogging the arteries" I read this a few years ago when researching vitamin C and there were several doctors that were touting vitamin C as an anti-inflammatory to help reduce cholesterol.
It makes sense as we get older the blood vessels are stressed more and more with blood pressure and just general aging-so the cholesterol may increase naturally even though we are eating healthy and exercising and further adjustments are needed. Of course we now the tremendous power of Omega 3's and the inflammatory process. Many times I will injest pastuerized liquid egg whites with my Carlson's fish or cod liver oil and additional D3 after a work out (first "food") meal after the powo shake just for the anti-inflammatory effects to help repair the lipid portion of the muscle cells torn down as well.

This isn't the exact article I read but explains a bit about inflammation and CV.
**broken link removed**

Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University

Additionally there is a theory that high iron levels cause heart attacks-evidenced by the fact that men have more heart attacks than women and one of the reasons for this is thought to be higher iron levels that men carry-as women tend to get rid of a lot of iron when they are younger up until menopause. That's why I always recommend people give blood-it's healthy gets rid of bound iron and old RBC's as well as stimulates new RBC production to help performance and health overall all as RBC's live 4 months.
 
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