The Synthetine Experiment

[Elvia1023]

You guys every cycle this or stay on 24/7?

Do you mean all year? I cycle it on and off but I do everything. The injections are easy for me but I also like to go periods without injecting anything so even come off test as well. If I had to guess for synthetine it's 50/50 so 6 months per year I am on. Maybe over the last 12 months that is slightly higher as I have used it a lot. As I already posted above when I am on it's usually ed but now it's approx 5 days per week.

I don't use syntheselen anywhere as much. I would say 3 months per year. Although it's making a big difference to me this cycle. I like to keep things to 1 pin so I decided to change over to 2ml synthetine and 3ml syntheselen. Syntheselen gives me more energy which I have struggled with recently.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have been training everyday. I will have a short break soon as my energy levels have been really low recently. I struggle to get through most of the day so I know I need to incorporate more rest days or at a minimum lower volume per session. It's hard when you see daily changes but I know that will reverse unless changes are made. I am pushing training though so don't mind the struggle so will go on how I feel each day.

As mentioned above due to lower energy I changed to 3ml syntheselen and it has helped a lot but I still need to fix the root cause. I think part of it is simply using hormones (tren) and it also being very hot and humid here now.

I went hypo last night after the gym. It was simply due to not having carbs post workout. I could feel it when in the shower and by the time I had dried it come on quickly. It was bad so I will ensure I keep carbs in my post workout meal as my body gets so sensitive after training hard. Today I decided to have a higher carb day mainly in the form of fruit. greek yohgurt and weetabix.

My left bi-cep is still bad but has improved a lot using Voltaren 2% (Diclofenac Sodium) cream twice daily. I am hoping it will be gone in another week. I trained bi-ceps with back last night but kept the db's to only 20 pounds. The one heavy set I done of rows earlier on kicked off the tendon pain so I backed off. I still had a great session. I couldn't press heavy weight either another day for shoulders so repped out a variety of front, side and rear delt movements. I finished that day with 12 sets of vertical leg press. 3 sets with 10-15 sec rest between each and repeated 4 times going up in weight and my arse is still hurting I have been hitting my calves and abs extra hard as well.

Tonight will be calves, hams, chest and tri-ceps. I will see how I am and go from there. Heavy for the lower body movements and probably pump stuff for chest and tri-ceps. Pre workout I will dose 20mg cialis, 50mg proviron, 3ml syntheselen, 2ml synthetine and whatever pre workout I decide to try.

I have swopped over my hormones so 50mg tren a and 40mg test p daily with an added 250mg test c per week. I will lower the test p down (to zero) this week so I am just on tren a, test c and proviron. I may add avar back in for the last 10 days or so before I go away. I can even take avar away with me as I won't be drinking on my holiday so no issues there. After my holiday I will go down to 150mg test only for a break.

I had more pics taken last night. They haven't come out very good but I will post a couple later. Only a few days difference but there have been improvements.

Today is an LR3 day so post workout will be approx 150g carbs from coco pops and milk plus an extra 50g protein from synthepure.

 

[Elvia1023]

I was going to have a break today but decided to train and I am glad I did now. I had a great delts and quads workout. The voltaren gel has helped my left bi-cep tendon even more now. I was amped up to train and decided to go heavy for a change. After warming up I went to smith shoulder presses first which I don't usually do first. Last time it was hurting on 1.5 plates a side so I stopped. I got up to 2.5 plates a side this time and it felt good. I didn't want go overboard but after my hols I will work up to 4+ plates a side for shoulder presses. DB lateral raises hurt so I done my heavy sets on machine lateral raises and they felt great. Wide grip upright rows were also not comfortable so I stopped but cable front raises felt great and I went heavy on those.

For quads after warming up I supersetted leg extensions with leg presses. I used an old school leg press machine. It must be 50+ years old. I will post a pic. I maxed out the plates on that and it felt good. I finished with standing knee raises using a standing leg curl machine backwards and they felt great. Most importantly my arm felt fine post workout and I am hoping it continues to improve.

My calves and hams were sore today from training them yesterday. I started with those two and finished with some chest and tri-ceps. I incorporated some movements you don't see much. Calves went first and was mainly supersetting standing calf raises with horizontal leg press calf presses. I finished with tibialis raises. For hams I started with standing leg curls and proceeded to single stiff leg db deadlifts were I put my head down for every rep. The stretch you get is fantastic and they are the main reason my hams are really bad today. I also done some lying db ham curls on the floor with very slow negatives. I finished with 1 set of machine lying leg curls to failure for high reps. It was mainly pump stuff for chest and tri-ceps due to my arm but it felt good.

I though I had ran out of aminos but I forgot about the My Protein ones I had with caffeine added. They have been in my cupboard for about a year. I don't like caffeine added for obvious reasons. But 2.5 scoops in my intra shake contained 375mg caffeine so I used that instead of a pre workout. It's a good approach as you are constantly topping up energy supply as you train.

I have decided after a break I am going to start an all out get massive log. Literally just go for it. I will keep it very simple but apply everything I know and just mutate My goal for the next few weeks hasn't changed though and I will carry on dropping body fat.

 

[Elvia1023]

Here is the old school leg press machine. If you see the handle with a hook hanging you use that to pick up the silver plates and place them in the machine. It took me ages putting them back at the bottom

 

[RamboStallone]

I have 1 more bottle of synthetine I got from a buddy here on the boards tren_plz, because he said it caused him too much PIP. Funny thing is I get PIP from most oils even test cyp, unless the gear is in MCT oil I will likely get PIP. I don't get any PIP from the synthetine, I didn't with the bottles I ordered and I'm not getting PIP with this bottle that caused tren_plz some heavy PIP if I recall correctly. It baffles my mind sometimes how we can reactly so differently to the exact same thing!

 

[RamboStallone]

I did 3mls in my lat before cardio yesterday no problem. Has a bite at first but all water based stuff does, but no PIP afterwards. Did my glute earlier in the week before cardio as well and I can't remember the last time I shot my glute and no still PIP.

 

[Jblack]

I have 1 more bottle of synthetine I got from a buddy here on the boards tren_plz, because he said it caused him too much PIP. Funny thing is I get PIP from most oils even test cyp, unless the gear is in MCT oil I will likely get PIP. I don't get any PIP from the synthetine, I didn't with the bottles I ordered and I'm not getting PIP with this bottle that caused tren_plz some heavy PIP if I recall correctly. It baffles my mind sometimes how we can reactly so differently to the exact same thing!

Same here. I need MCT or I am crippled whereas the L-Carn is not really noticeable.

 

[Jblack]

Day 2 of 5ml pre fasted, 2iu humalog, and 4.5iu gh.

I am going to do this over 2 weeks to see the difference since I am in prep.

I normally always do 2-3 ml of L-Carn year round and 3-4.5 gh year round.

L-Carn helps me more so than anything with mental clarity and feel good stuff feelings

I will be curious to see if the bump w the log helps me lose more fat.

 

[Elvia1023]

Day 2 of 5ml pre fasted, 2iu humalog, and 4.5iu gh.

I am going to do this over 2 weeks to see the difference since I am in prep.

I normally always do 2-3 ml of L-Carn year round and 3-4.5 gh year round.

L-Carn helps me more so than anything with mental clarity and feel good stuff feelings

I will be curious to see if the bump w the log helps me lose more fat.

Nice. Keep everyone updated how you find that protocol.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have been training pretty much everyday and at relatively high volume. I am usually in the gym approx 2 hours most days. The Diclofenac gel has done wonders and my arm continues to get better. I still can't do any pulldowns without pain but I have been able to do fairly heavy (3 plate per side) rows and some bi-cep work. Training has been a complete mix but more higher reps for a change.

Last week I started tapering test p down from 50mg to 10mg and I just stopped it. I have been running 50mg tren a and 50mg proviron per day. In addition to that I inject 125mg test c twice weekly. I am never 100% as it's not like I compete but I have been dieting hard recently. It's been a struggle this week and truth be told I have felt like shit. I am not used to low carbs. I was feeling a bit off even before the low carbs and I think it's the hormones even though they are not high.

I actually decided tonight to just go on low test. I figured why feel like shit for the sake of getting a little leaner. I am not competing or have some big photo shoot so I figured fuck it. I don't feel healthy on tren either. When I lowered my test I started getting bad night sweats. I would wake up drenched and would have to move as the bed sheets were soaked.

So from today it will just be 250mg test c per week with my synthetine/syntheselen pre workout. That combo has made a big difference to my overall energy and mental clarity. Another reason for this is I have noticed my stomach is bloated/watery quite a bit. When I went away I drank a lot and felt very toxic and carrying on the tren afterwards has not helped so I just want to get off anything toxic and give my body a break. I predict the water will fall off me even though those drugs are known to give a drier appearance. After I get back I will carry on with 150mg test per week and have a break from everything. Over the next week I will still be dieting but in a healthy way.

 

[Elvia1023]

So I am down to just 250mg test per week now. Pre workout I also use synthetine and syntheselen. Today I only dosed them at 1.5ml each in a 3ml syringe. Although it goes against my logic of getting energy back I found some old DNP in my cupboard and decided to try it at 200mg per day. It's an old batch of Geno's Euro DNP. I actually have 2 little bags with about 20 caps total from different times. One bag has 8 caps in and I figured just run 200mg for 8 days.

The DNP hit me fast. Last night I was lying there radiating heat and when I woke up my bed was soaked. Before the DNP I had already decided to have some treats in the form of a 3kg watermelon and a box of cereal (shitload of carbs in total). Anyway I woke up and my stomach was much tighter so I was pleased about that. I also took a cleanse product before bed which has helped as I have had to go the toilet a few times within hours of getting up.

Training today was almost impossible but I pushed though. The DNP has hit me fast and my energy was non existent. I took 1 scoop of 5150 as well which didn't do much at the time (feel great now though ). Although 20 mins in I done my first crazy drop set for seated calf raises and that put some life back into me. The type of drop set I wanted it to burn as much as possible and afterwards I was hurting but up for more. It didn't last long though and I was struggling soon after. I think the 5150 effected my breathing a bit as well which didn't help. I still pushed it and had a great training session and I know for a fact I won't be able to walk tomorrow as my hamstrings are destroyed. My full workout consisted of...

Walk to the Gym pressing into the floor (20 mins)
Seated Calf Raises supersetted with standing calf raises (3 sec pause at the bottom)... 4 sets of each for higher reps.
Seated Calf Raises... 3 working sets of approx 10 reps. Then 3 drop sets all with 2 drops and just crazy intensity. I drop the weight then I push down do reps then I let go and do normal reps then push down again then drop the weight and repeat so 2 drops still consists of approx 50-100 reps for each set.
Machine Tibialis Raises... 2 warm ups and 4 working sets.
Standing Leg Curl Machine... 4 warm up sets and 4 working sets for each leg.
One legged DB stiff leg deadlifts... these are much better for my lower back. I get a great stretch and feel it all in my hams. 3 warm up sets and 3 working sets for each leg.
Lying on the floor DB Leg Curls... 1 warm up set and 3 working sets.
Hamstring Extensions... basically back extensions but with full focus on hamstrings... 3 working sets going up in weight.
Back Stretches.
Walked home (struggled).

My meals in the evening are mainly protein based. Post workout I had chicken and green lentils with a cereal bar afterwards. The cereal bar is only 100 calories and about 15g carbs. I may have more lentils with beef in a minute. My diet is more relaxed now (greek yoghurt, cottage cheese, fruit etc) but still very restricted especially in the evenings.

 

[Elvia1023]

I really struggled the 1st few days on DNP but things are better now. All the aas would have left my system and it's made dieting much easier. I am sure relaxing me diet for a few days helped but tren makes me crave food/carbs but now that's gone.

DNP really is an amazing drug and the difference in the last 2 days has been great. I decided to up to 400mg and I am going well. I modified my training due to the complete lack of energy in the gym. I would push through but it was pretty unbearable trying to train like I usually do. I started a new pre workout yesterday and have trained twice on it so far and it's amazing. It's very strong with many useful stimulants and focus enhancers so my training has been hard and fast paced.

I do this for fun but it's a shame I don't have another 2 weeks as dieting is easier for me now. I have lost some size which I knew I would but it will just make the rebound more fun. It would be impossible now to eating what I am eating now.

I received my EAA's so have added them in throughout the day and that has made a big difference as well. Humapro sweet tea taste really nice. I also have 6 tubs of EAA's by Musclerage and 2 tubs of All Day You May by 5% Nutrition. Incidentally 5%'s new Knock the carbs out bars are very nice and I have been having 1 as a meal everyday. I also added Fiberlyze by Species Nutrition.

The hotel I have booked is nice with a buffet restaurant so there is no way I am dieting on holiday as adding the breakfast and dinner options cost quite a lot. So I will definitely get my moneys worth I could very easily have 2500 cals for breakfast and 5000 cals for dinner each day. Maybe I get there and change my mind but there is no way I am dieting but I just may not go that crazy. I will also be training everyday when away as the hotel has a great gym (I love training in new gyms). I am tempted to carry on dieting on trt when I get back then rebound hard.

The next few days will be the similar then I will get some new pics done. I was looking much harder in the gym tonight but I trained alone and don't take my phone. I am using 1.5ml synthetine and 1.5ml syntheselen pre workout now and very happy. I also added 1 scoop of Full as Fuck by 5% pre workout today and could notice a big difference in pumps.

 

[Elvia1023]

Re1gn preworkout has been great for me. I trained shoulders and tri-ceps yesterday and pushed it. I have probably just done one of the hardest workouts of my life. I trained legs and on 400mg DNP I struggled but pushed through. Here is my entire workout and I went fast but slowed down at the end...

Walked to the gym.
Standing Calf Raises... 8 sets of 15-10 reps going up in weight and using a 2 sec stretch on the negative for every rep.
Seated Calf Raises... supersetted the last 4 sets of the above with 4 sets to failure (approx 15 reps).
Standing Calf Bodyweight Raises... ended each of my 4 supersets (above) with these with full stretch at the top and bottom.
Machine Tibialis Raises... 1 warm up set and 2 working sets of high reps.
Machine Glute Raises... 3 sets of 20-15 reps with each leg.
Hip Adductors... 3 warm up sets and 2 working sets with 15 sec rest between those 2 sets.
Standing Leg Curls... 4 warm up sets and 2 working sets of approx 10 reps.
Unilateral DB Stiff Leg Deadlifts... 2 warm up sets and 2 working sets with each leg.
DB Stiff Leg Deadlifts... 1 working set of high reps with 20kg db's.
Lying on the Floor DB Leg Curls... 1 warm up set and 2 working sets.
Hamstring Extensions (back extensions ham focused)... 1 working set.
Horizontal Leg Press (ham/glute focused)... 2 warm up sets and 2 working sets with feet hide and wide pushing with heels.
Superset of leg extensions, hack squats (close feet) and leg press (wide feet)... 1 warm up set and 3 working sets. All working sets were 15 reps for each movement but I would fail on the 3rd exercise every time and would rest pause it to get to 15.
Horizontal Leg press quad focused... 2 working sets of approx 20 reps.
Hack Squat... 1 working set.
Knee Extension using standing leg curl machine... 1 warm up set and 2 working sets for each leg.
Leg Extensions... 5 sets going up in weight pushing as much blood as possible into muscle.
Leg and Back Stretches.

It took me ages to get showered as my legs were shaking. I tried to get a taxi but my internet wouldn't work so I had to walk home and what normally takes 15 mins took double. Literally destroyed but after a few hours I feel great but I can already feel my hams and glutes will be sore 2moro.

 

[K1]

I have 1 more bottle of synthetine I got from a buddy here on the boards tren_plz, because he said it caused him too much PIP. Funny thing is I get PIP from most oils even test cyp, unless the gear is in MCT oil I will likely get PIP. I don't get any PIP from the synthetine, I didn't with the bottles I ordered and I'm not getting PIP with this bottle that caused tren_plz some heavy PIP if I recall correctly. It baffles my mind sometimes how we can reactly so differently to the exact same thing!

Same here...My wife has gotten minimal pip from the Tine from time to time but not once here?!

 

[Elvia1023]

Rambo that always makes me realize how everyone is so different. Synthetine is always painless for me even at 5ml in one spot. I was doing 5ml in 2 spots totalling 10ml per day earlier in this thread and no pip whatsoever. Syntheselen can sting me for approx 30 mins but I never have any issues the next day. I injected 3ml synthetine/syntheselen in my glute earlier and I can't feel a thing.

I am really liking the humapro aminos and had them again intra training. My preworkout has also been great to get me through training whilst the DNP leaves my system. Earlier was another big workout that consisted of back and chest. I was in the gym for 2 hours. I will get some pics taken before I go away.

Postwork I had steak with green lentils. I sometimes use green lentil packs that you can microwave and they taste amazing but they are not cheap. Right now I am drinking 2 scoops of All day you may in 2 litres of water. Pre bed will be soem cottage cheese and 2 hard boiled eggs.

I have already decided I am gonna grow and get as big as possible (staying relatively lean) after this break. I am lifting heavy now most days but still have to be careful with certain movements. I am hoping my bi-cep tendons continue to get better (at about 95% now) so I can hit the weights hard for my growth cycle. I will start at 300mg test and 300mg deca and move up slowly. I will increase food gradually but keep most things pretty basic. No idea what my max doses will be but I assume no more than 900mg test and 900mg deca. I may dose primo (if I can be bothered with the injs) and lower test and deca as 500-600mg is a nice amount for both for me and fatigue hits in when I go higher with test.

 

[Elvia1023]

Here are two pics after a few weeks of dieting. I am a bit flat here as I barely ate today. I have a boomerang/video I want to post but they keep failing.

I will now move my test dose down from 250mg to 150mg per week. I go away tomorrow for 1 week and will eat a ridiculous amount of food. Then back for a short break before I try to get huge

 

[Elvia1023]

View My Video

That is a boomerang/video from tonight.

 

[Elvia1023]

My vascularity was quite prominent tonight but it hasn't come out much in the pics. I used 1.5ml synthetine/syntheselen and 1 scoop of Full as Fuck pre workout and they worked well even though I was very depleted. FAF is a great product especially on an empty stomach.

 

[Elvia1023]

I was on 250mg test and added in DNP for just over a week before I went away. I wasn't eating much either and why I was flat in my last pic (posted above). I think that was 1-2 days after DNP but not too sure. I think I done about 4 days at 200mg and another 4-5 days at 400mg. My original plan was do just do 200mg but 400mg was great for me.

I went on holiday for 1 week and had a nice time. The hotel didn't have all inclusive so I booked the breakfast and dinner option. I was going through over 3000 calories per meal. I would say about 70% carbs but still eating plenty of protein. I also took some humapro aminos and drank them in 2 litres of water when sunbathing etc. For dinner I would have 3-4 plates of food, 2 plates of desserts and 1 plate of fruit to finish most days. Breakfast was a massive full English breakfast to start then usually yoghurt with museli, nuts, figs, raisins etc. Lot's of chocolate sauce on churros, pancakes and even fruit. My vascularity come out big time but after a week of that I was getting softer.

The hotel had a great gym and I trained hard about 5 days. My bi-cep tendons are ok and the pain came back a little as I didn't take the gel away but nothing too bad. I have an issue with my left hip but nothing serious.

My plan was to go on 150mg test but I haven't injected anything since coming back and feel fine so far. I had about 4 days off the gym when I got back but have just been 3 days in a row with today being an off day. I have told myself to deload but I have been pushing it (too hard) when in the gym. A lot of the time I do 15 rep sets and move up in weight but often go quite heavy so I am failing before 15 on the final set. Although some sets have just been all out and failing closer to 8-10 reps. I will try to deload a bit more over the next 2 weeks in preparation for my new training and aas cycle.

I have decided not to go with higher test and deca (mentioned above) as I know I will feel like crap on that stack. Instead I will still start low (probably 300mg total) and move up slowly over time. My max doses will be approx 500mg test, 400mg and 700mg primo. I will go more into why later on. I will also have orals on hand for plateaus. I could grow on 500mg test. I feel as long as I have a simple base of hormones I don't need much to grow as it's food and the utilization of that food that are fundamental in growing. But I will be going for it so adding all the other stuff in just to assist everything.

I am eager to go for it now but gonna try and rest my body a bit before I start. When I state rest my body I just mean no crazy workouts like my 2 hour leg workout the other day. They feel great at the time but in this hormonal state recovery takes much longer.

I will also try 2iu hgh twice daily and just push through the fatigue (very sensitive) and hope my body adapts. I usually quit after 1-2 weeks but I will see if I can run it for a few months straight at that dose.

Syntherol will be dosed in small amounts in multiple body parts but mainly arms and calves. I will stay relatively lean but gonna push the size like never before. Hopefully it will make for good viewing. Nothing fancy and just the basics but I am ready to push the food and the weights.

 

[Elvia1023]

I trained hard tonight. I have decided to keep up with the hard training but just lower my days in the gym each week. Truth be told I struggle to take it easy in the gym so this is my way around it. I get to the gym with the thought of not going to failure and just doing pump sets but soon think fuck that My recovery is not the same so I will probably train eod for the next couple of weeks.

I trained shoulders, chest and tri-ceps. My main movements for shoulders were Smith presses, machine lateral raises and rope front raises. Chest was DB presses, machine flyes and seated presses. For tri-ceps I done dips and extensions. My strength is down but still done 2 1/2 plates for Smith presses, full stack for 27 reps (slow reps) on machine lateral raises, 100 pound db's (extra slow reps) for chest press and the full stack for machine flyes.

I have relaxed my diet but I always eat the same sort of foods. But I am consuming a lot of dairy now. I am also going through a lot of cereal such as fruit museli. I had 2 massive bowls the other night and looked pregnant afterwards. The rest of the time my cals are not that high and I am just cruising in a dietary sense. I do have to watch out when coming off though as I always notice fat and water comes on fast when/if I up the cals. I had a treat the other night having about 1000 cals of extra mature cheddar cheese and that certainly didn't help my stomach All in all as long with the hard training I am holding up well and look fairly lean.

On holiday I had to buy some pants. If people have followed me they know I have a wide waist even when very lean. It can look very small in pics but it's not (distention issues and wide hips). I tried on 36 inch waist pants and they were over 2 inches too big on the waist so I was pleased with that... thank you dnp I had to settle for 36 inch strethy fit cargo pants with a drawstring around the waist because nothing fit me

I should receive my aas soon and I am excited to get started. I think it's time to finally break 20 inch arms and calves