Think I'm ready for 1st cycle?

Gators · Aug 7, 2008

Hi folks, i'm a old bastid, about to turn 43, 5'8" 175#, about 17-18% bf. Been lifting off and on (more on than off) for almost 3 yrs, but i'm not trying to get big, i'm doing this more for HRT. Being self employed, my insurance is HSA, 5k deductible, so lots of testing (right now) isn't in the cards for me right now, to pay out of pocket it's quite expensive. I'm starting to feel symptoms of low test, more lethargic, get tired easier, harder time keeping the belly off, libido is slightly decreasing.

I ordered Test E but got shipped Omnadren 250 (why in the heck can't they get it right

), so first question am i making a mistake going with the Om, vs Test E? Had planned to do the Test E at 250mg every 5 days, and best i can tell, that would be the same dose of Omn.? Oh, planning on 8 week cycle, but may continue at a lower dose as HRT?

I was planning on not necessarily doing a bulk, but eating about 3000 cal/day, broken up as most recommend. Also planning on continuing to lift 4 days / week, should i cut out the morning cardio (walking 45min)?

Also, i have Nolva and Clomid, but best i can tell i only need to take it during the cycle if i see symptoms, and then maybe clomid for 6 weeks after? Is it so bad to do a low dose of Nolva during the 8 week cycle?

I'm sure i left stuff out, so bear with me, and look forward to any advice

oldfella · Aug 7, 2008

Ok, first as you are prolly aware, omni is a blend of esters. test E is just that. With omni you have fast and slow release. I am not a huge fan of multi estered test due to unsteady levels over time. You will have highs and lows. But since you got it use it. use the omni e5d like you were the enanth. but get hold of enanth and use it e7d. this will keep levels steady enough for hrt. realize that at 250/wk is most likely well above what a gp would prescribe to you. so make sure you clean up your diet, reduce or stop alcohol consumption (if you do this) and train hard. This way you will derive all the good benefits of having elevated test levels and will probably experience some good gains as well. At some stage do go and see your GP and get blood work done. Before you start would be preferable but if not possible then do it at some stage for general health reasons. If you ask the to check your test levels you will need to drop the use for about 4 weeks prior to the test or your levels will most likely be way high. Doctor will raise an eyebrow at that!

Gators · Aug 8, 2008

how long does it take to feel the effects, I gave myself the first 250mg shot of omn last night and I swear I feel seriously energized today, maybe it's psychological? No pain, no soreness, doesn't even feel like I've had a shot

finny · Aug 8, 2008

Given you age, your plans, your past history (however limited) etc. I would seriously consider hiring Phil.

At your age I wouldn't just pick and eat 3000cal/day as most likely you will get fat.

Phil will give you suggestions and guidance and is wealth of info. Most important, he's not too expensive.

Gators · Aug 8, 2008

who's Phil?

BOOMSHAKER · Aug 8, 2008

Phil, the famous ground hog!

Look up top, his pic is next to BigKIWI's

oldfella · Aug 9, 2008

Phil Hernon, one of our resident pros. He does know what he is doing and incredibly reasonable price.

As for your question, yes some of what you are feeling is psychological, but given that there is propionate in the mix you could feel a little test from this. usually with prop can be as little as 12-18 hours. Everyone is a little different. The longer esters will not really kick in for two weeks if you do a once a week shot.

Gators · Aug 9, 2008

Got Phil onboard w/ Team Gators

What a nice and knowledgeable person, thanks for the advice

Gators · Oct 2, 2008

just a little update. Under Phil's direction, i've gained 50lbs on the bench and replaced fat w/ muscle, slowly but surely. If you're wondering what to do, new to this, you're nutso if you don't get Phil to help you...

pesty4077 · Oct 2, 2008

Gators said:
just a little update. Under Phil's direction, i've gained 50lbs on the bench and replaced fat w/ muscle, slowly but surely. If you're wondering what to do, new to this, you're nutso if you don't get Phil to help you...

Good job! It is nice to see some of the older guys on this board who refuse to grow old.