Turn me off to tren

[chrisrivers]

I live in the south and tend to be a natural sweater anyways so Tren is reserved for Dec-Feb only. It can also take my mind to dark places.

Fuck 5-6 hours of sleep damn I don’t get half that ok a regular night. Sleeping on tren for me happened very little

Yep, I am the same way only 5 hours sleep no tren cycle. 3-4 hours tren in cycle

LOL fuck

 

[Kaladryn]

In his defense he has to be the ABSOLUTELY most miss-quoted guy around on PEDs. People take bits and pieces and only hear half of what he says and then run off and play telephone with "his info." He has never stated that tren was the only androgen that has effects on the GC receptor/system. He also has asked WHERE did Bill Lewellyn get his 5x claim for tren as the all the HA you find on tren show it about or less androgenic, according to that method with all it's flaws but if the claim for 5x is backed by nothing other than Bill writing it then HA are more credible than "just cuz."

This seems to support, at minimum, that tren is NOT 5x as androgenic as test but people will believe what they believe:

17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate - PubMed

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I've read a LOT of research on tren in the past and a lot of the studies are on tren are unpublished and hard to find (read the proof of this below), tren is actually one, if not the most, researched AAS because it's used in the cattle industry. In vitro affinity for AR was found to be about 5x testosterone and in vivo affinity was found to be slightly higher than DHT or around 3x the affinity of testosterone. This is all from memory and I don't have the studies on hand. I don't really care about tren anymore but I used to and have spent an enormous amount of time researching it in the past when I had access to a lot more information than I do now.

While Lewellyn is often incorrect on some stuff, it's been what I thought was "common knowledge" that tren has 3x the affinity for the AR, not 5, for a long time.

While the in vivo effects of TBA have been extensively examined in teratology studies, multigenerational studies, and the Hershberger assay, much of this data is unpublished, having been conducted in industry laboratories, and only brief summaries are available on the internet from the World Health Organization (WHO) Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v25je08.htm).

from https://academic.oup.com/toxsci/article/70/2/202/1621655