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USAPL REPLACES WPO AT ARNOLD

ironfreak83

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I read this on powerlifting watch.com, and the rumor was confirmed. the USAPL lifters should get some more recognition now.

Why was the WPO Replaced?

Ok. I am not going to use my name for obvious reasons, but let me say that the following information is reliable:

1. The WPO lost the Arnold because of the drug issue. This is true. However, there are ways around this which will probably come into play for the bodybuilding show, so this piece is obviously not the whole pie. Would you agree?

Well...

2. The second and just as big reason why the WPO lost out was because of the judging and the multi-ply suits! Yes, this is true. Lorimer has been wanting to get rid of the WPO for about 4 years now, and the drug issue gave him the "legitimate" reason to do so. However, once the organizers of the Arnold (Lorimer,Arnold himself, etc. who knows?) got wind of the gear and what it did for the lifters, the whole thing became a huge inside joke. This is true. They got wind of how much the gear does when guys could not squat to proper depth and could not touch benches because of the gear. They have actually been anonymously polling the average joe and jane that watches the powerlifting over the last several years and have found out that most of the people that watch the powerlifting actually think it to be a big joke once they learn about the suits!!! The suits have done more harm than good because now we are just regular guys that are dumb enough to put on all of these suits and "powerlift". They think that we are athletic rejects and throwbacks and most think that guys at their local gym are stronger. I am not kidding!

Now, for those that follow powerlifting...we know that the single-ply suits of today give a tremendous amount of support also, but it is also true that guys in those feds. rarely miss a squat because they could not hit depth. They miss like a normal person would miss. Therefore, it is more marketable to the masses. The same goes for the bench press. Guys in single ply feds usually miss at lockout like a normal gym-goer. Very few fail to even get the weight to their chest like in multi-ply feds. Again, it is more marketable.

If the truth be told, a raw organization would have got the contract to the Arnold a long time ago. However, none of them are that big (in terms of membership, etc.) and more importantly none of them were as interested nor as organized as the USAPL. Which leads me to the 3rd reason why the WPO lost the Arnold:

3. Organization and professionalism. Do I really need to explain this one? Suffice it to say that Lorimer considered dealing with Larry Maile and the USAPL a breath of fresh air after dealing with the WPO for years. You can say what you want about the USAPL, but facts are facts. They are the largest powerlifting organization in the USA in terms of members, and they can prove it. They also run it like a business and it shows. They are professional.

Now, many of you may not care, etc. However, being a pretty good powerlifter myself...I CARE. I suspect some of my brothers in the WPO and others that take this sport more seriously care as well.

You guys are going to be amazed at what happens now for the powerlifters of the USAPL. They are going to be exposed like never before and there are real chances now that they are going to be getting big sponsorships, putting the USAPL on T.V., etc. All of the things that an athlete wants.

Again, many of you will shrug and not care. However, many WPO guys are going to be envious of the USAPL lifters when they are on tv, commericals, magazine ads, etc. Envious because that could have been us and it could have been the WPO that was getting all of the spoils.

I hope that we learn from this and realize what is really needed for this sport to take off if we ever want it to get bigger than just a "click" hobby.

The drugs did play a big part, but the gear and the reputation/professionalism of the USAPL is what ultimately got them into the Arnold and onto bigger and better things. Yes, drugs exist in the USAPL. I know this also from reliable info. But they are smart about it. Remember that it is only bad if you get caught!

Believe what you want. This information is very reliable.
 
about time....wpo is a big joke allot of the bench bash 4 cash winners never even got paid.
 
I stopped competitive lifting back in 2003. Lifted in the IPA and APF. I always thought that the lifting gear was getting out of control. A good example of this was when we went to Nazareth Barbell to train with Mike Miller. Which by the way Mike is a hell of a guy, and if any of you lifters get the chance to train with him I highly recommend it. Any way, one of his lifters was was training bench. He could barely get 315 for 1. He put his bench shirt on and then proceed to lift clean 365, 455, and 520. So yes, the multi ply lifting gear is hurting the sport. Actually one of my shirts was a demin with a canvas liner in it. I could hardly get 500 lbs to touch my chest. It was actually harder trying to learn how to use and manipulate the shirt , then it was to lift the weight. Seems ridiculous right, but it was within the rules, so I took advantage of it.

Drugs are a problem, but they are in any competitve arena. And by the way it is not illegal according to the federations rules. (APF, IPA, & WPO). The USAPL has many steroid users in it. But they are smart about it. The organization says it is illegal to use. So hence there are no drugs being used. If you know what I mean. And with every single one of the bodybuilders on that that stage and 90% of them who are maning the booths on juice, I don't really believe drugs were a top issue in getting rid of the WPO.

The third issue is the WPO organization and the guy who owns/runs it. I won't get into this, and the only thing I will say is he is not the most professional guy to deal with.

My conclusion is the lifting equipment and the WPO organization leaders were the 2 main contributing factors to losing the Arnold spot. Sucks but it is the truth.
 
Uluwatu said:
I stopped competitive lifting back in 2003. Lifted in the IPA and APF. I always thought that the lifting gear was getting out of control. A good example of this was when we went to Nazareth Barbell to train with Mike Miller. Which by the way Mike is a hell of a guy, and if any of you lifters get the chance to train with him I highly recommend it. Any way, one of his lifters was was training bench. He could barely get 315 for 1. He put his bench shirt on and then proceed to lift clean 365, 455, and 520. So yes, the multi ply lifting gear is hurting the sport. Actually one of my shirts was a demin with a canvas liner in it. I could hardly get 500 lbs to touch my chest. It was actually harder trying to learn how to use and manipulate the shirt , then it was to lift the weight. Seems ridiculous right, but it was within the rules, so I took advantage of it.

Drugs are a problem, but they are in any competitve arena. And by the way it is not illegal according to the federations rules. (APF, IPA, & WPO). The USAPL has many steroid users in it. But they are smart about it. The organization says it is illegal to use. So hence there are no drugs being used. If you know what I mean. And with every single one of the bodybuilders on that that stage and 90% of them who are maning the booths on juice, I don't really believe drugs were a top issue in getting rid of the WPO.

The third issue is the WPO organization and the guy who owns/runs it. I won't get into this, and the only thing I will say is he is not the most professional guy to deal with.

My conclusion is the lifting equipment and the WPO organization leaders were the 2 main contributing factors to losing the Arnold spot. Sucks but it is the truth.


i'm a raw lifter only now so i completely agree with what you said about all the multi-ply gear and that most of the equipment has gotten way out of hand. this is my opinion on it, and it's gonna piss some people off so i'll aplogize in advance lol, but when you're using a bench shirt or suit, you're not getting stronger, you're just getting better at using that piece of equipment. i powerlift to make myself stronger, not to be able to get a lot out of equipment. i guess what i'm sayin is that if i bench 600 pounds raw(not able to yet but in the very near future:cool: ), and if someone benches 800 in a shirt but can only do 500 raw, then i'm a hell of a lot stronger than that dude. just my opinion like i said but it's how i feel.
 
ironfreak83 said:
i'm a raw lifter only now so i completely agree with what you said about all the multi-ply gear and that most of the equipment has gotten way out of hand. this is my opinion on it, and it's gonna piss some people off so i'll aplogize in advance lol, but when you're using a bench shirt or suit, you're not getting stronger, you're just getting better at using that piece of equipment. i powerlift to make myself stronger, not to be able to get a lot out of equipment. i guess what i'm sayin is that if i bench 600 pounds raw(not able to yet but in the very near future:cool: ), and if someone benches 800 in a shirt but can only do 500 raw, then i'm a hell of a lot stronger than that dude. just my opinion like i said but it's how i feel.
Not an opinion...The truth;)
 
Tyrone said:
Not an opinion...The truth;)

lol i wish everyone felt the same was as you do, but some of those dudes who use mulit ply equipment can get a little sensitive sometimes. i had a dude at my gym so frustrated with me that he halfway started cryin. after that i added that usin all that equipment raises your estrogen levels too high :D
 
ironfreak83 said:
i'm a raw lifter only now so i completely agree with what you said about all the multi-ply gear and that most of the equipment has gotten way out of hand. this is my opinion on it, and it's gonna piss some people off so i'll aplogize in advance lol, but when you're using a bench shirt or suit, you're not getting stronger, you're just getting better at using that piece of equipment. i powerlift to make myself stronger, not to be able to get a lot out of equipment. i guess what i'm sayin is that if i bench 600 pounds raw(not able to yet but in the very near future:cool: ), and if someone benches 800 in a shirt but can only do 500 raw, then i'm a hell of a lot stronger than that dude. just my opinion like i said but it's how i feel.
i agree also....this is why i don't compete any more..300lbs out of bench and squat suit is out of control.
 
anabolicfan said:
i agree also....this is why i don't compete any more..300lbs out of bench and squat suit is out of control.

definately. oh and i know that the equipment was originally created to protect the shoulders from gettin injured, but my shoulders hurt a hell of a lot more when i used to use a shirt than they do now goin raw. so i really dont' see any point to usin equipment anymore.
 
anabolicfan said:
i agree also....this is why i don't compete any more..300lbs out of bench and squat suit is out of control.

I get crucified regularly about this. Hopefully the USAPL offers some better lifting.
 
ALL POWERLIFTING SHOULD BE RAW.. it should be based on your strength.. not the suits ability to launch poundages.. wear a frickin t shirt.. and lift..
 
Future said:
I get crucified regularly about this. Hopefully the USAPL offers some better lifting.
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itll be a lot better for sure. i, however, won't be happy until all the bench shirts and squat suits burst into flames and never return.
 
ironfreak83 said:
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itll be a lot better for sure. i, however, won't be happy until all the bench shirts and squat suits burst into flames and never return.

I use to be one of those guys when I was competing who got bent out of shape by these comments. Now that I look back I have to agree with you.:) The equipment is way out of control. It has become a contest of who is better at using the shirt and suit. But on the other hand the equipment is not going anywhere anytime soon. I applaud you for lifting Raw, and a 600lb Raw bench is awesome. Good luck in your quest to hit it. Its a big number.
 

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