Mike Arnold's First Cycle Stance- Go All Out?? Or Take It Slow??

[Millineum Man]

I just read an article by Mike Arnold that changed my entire way of thinking as far as First Cycles are concerned. He said if you go all out your First Cycle. You will make more progress in 16 weeks than guys do in years using the traditional approach with minimal health effects . He had a guy gain 56lbs in 16 weeks on his First cycle using Test, Deca, Dbol, Tren, and Insulin. He didn't list the doses, so you would have to use your imagination. Is he dead on to go all out? Or way off?

 

[Bartthebat]

That's horrible. There are so many things wrong with that. You body needs time to adjust to new muscle especially your tendons and joints. The key to cycles is your diet. My first cycle was test dbol and my diet was amazing. Went from 205lb @10% bf to 240lb @7%bf in around 6 weeks using just the basic stuff. And then I took a long time off before my next cycle for my body to adjust to the new muscle I had put on.

 

[standard donkey]

That's horrible. There are so many things wrong with that. You body needs time to adjust to new muscle especially your tendons and joints. The key to cycles is your diet. My first cycle was test dbol and my diet was amazing. Went from 205lb @10% bf to 240lb @7%bf in around 6 weeks using just the basic stuff. And then I took a long time off before my next cycle for my body to adjust to the new muscle I had put on.

you gained over 40 pounds of lean body mass in 6 weeks?




...really?

 

[Int3x0r]

you gained over 40 pounds of lean body mass in 6 weeks?




...really?

Yeah man! Everybody knows that dbol is the king of lean mass! Lolz

 

[Bartthebat]

For me at 30mg a day. I went from partying all the time to completely changing my life style. I could list my diet if you don't believe me

 

[standard donkey]

For me at 30mg a day. I went from partying all the time to completely changing my life style. I could list my diet if you don't believe me

lol..not sure if serious


"partying all the time" while still being "205 @ 10%" must have been nice tho

 

[Knight9]

Mike Arnold is SHARP.

 

[borderbound]

sure i dont doubt it ...BUT anyone who gains 56 pounds on the first cycle was not even close to there natural genetic limit

i am one of the few who dont think you need to be MAX out naturally first
but im thinking a little closer than this

 

[Bartthebat]

lol..not sure if serious


"partying all the time" while still being "205 @ 10%" must have been nice tho

Considering I was 6'4 205 isn't big at all.

 

[standard donkey]

Considering I was 6'4 205 isn't big at all.

how tall are you now?

 

[Bartthebat]

how tall are you now?

The same height

 

[tri-terror]

how tall are you now?

Lmao! How tall you think get is?

 

[standard donkey]

Lmao! How tall you think get is?

idk man this guy gained over 35 lbs while dropping 3% bodyfat (hydrostatic im sure) on 6 weeks of test/dbol.

genetic anomally

 

[Kaladryn]

Mike Arnold is a little like Dan Duchaine (although Dan was on another level), in that he knows what he's talking about and has some great ideas, but you'd never want to follow his protocols unless you have a death wish.

Personally I think the best route is the LEAST amount you need to make good gains, that way you can keep increasing the dose for as many cycles as possible. Because lets face it, at some point you are going to get to the limit of how much you are willing to risk taking, and if you reach that too fast, you won't be able to grow anymore.

 

[tr]

BULLSHIT

Gaining muscle takes time, a lot of time - years after years
Gaining water takes weeks

He had a guy who gained 56lb in 16 weeks? If that would be a truth he would had been posted a pic of him...did he? If yes where I can I chack it? If no - could be two options: 1) there is no such guy (probably most believeable answer) or 2) his gains in lbs where impressive but not in the pics

As one guy said he is just another wanabe guru...

 

[Zomb131]

Mike who?

 

[nothuman]

Mike Arnold is a little like Dan Duchaine (although Dan was on another level), in that he knows what he's talking about and has some great ideas, but you'd never want to follow his protocols unless you have a death wish.

Personally I think the best route is the LEAST amount you need to make good gains, that way you can keep increasing the dose for as many cycles as possible. Because lets face it, at some point you are going to get to the limit of how much you are willing to risk taking, and if you reach that too fast, you won't be able to grow anymore.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard and you clearly haven't read many posts from him. Mike Arnold is a member here so I'll try to alert him of this thread so he can come in and explain what he meant in that article. He is also VERY knowledgeable about SAFETY and emphasizes ways to do it and what to take all the time (something you are very knowledgeable in yourself). In the meantime, the op should have posted the article. I bet there is something he left out.

 

[jimmyjones]

In theory, he is right. Your first cycle is like puberty all over again. Thats why most folks always blow up the fastest on their first cycle. Its called "newbie gains".

But...I would say it is very unwise to go all out from the dig.

For one, Tren is an extremely powerful drug. To the brand new user, taking Tren at like 600-1,000mg right out of the gates is complete recklessness.

A person's first cycle should be the basic Test, Deca, and Dbol. And thats it.
There is no reason to use Tren or Insulin on your first go around. You really think a rookie is ready to play with his pancreas at such a young age?

A person must feel out the androgenicity of Testosterone FIRST before touching any stronger compounds. Once your muscles, mind, and skin feel and witness the effects of the Testosterone....they will be primed for stronger androgens and bigger doses.

Muscle takes many many years to build...You cant just gain 100lbs of tissue in one year. Maybe in 2 years…but to gain 100lbs of tissue in 2 years, best believe there is serious drug abuse and serious amounts of food being eaten, which is not healthy for any human being.

First you crawl, then you walk, then you run.

 

[Gravel]

A quality physique takes years to build......56lbs of what? Muscle?

 

[ThinkTank]

I am sure Mike Arnold knows what he is doing. I am sure that under a close watchful eye this can be accomplished with little risk.

That being said, I cannot understand how this is possible without extreme risk to the health of the individual. I am not talking about organs and drug use. I am talking about tendons and joints.

How can one put so much muscle on and not have an adverse affect on tendons and joints is beyond my comprehension.


...Again...under a watchful eye this might be possible - for the average joe this is an injury waiting to happen.