Gotcha! This is why I wanted to hear from some experts. It all makes sense now.
I've seen all the serum tests for Rips and there's no doubt they are good stuff. It boggles my mind how people on other boards (notably senior vets) can blast the stuff and call it fake and then accuse the Chinese of putting 'something else' in there to raise GH levels.
Anyways, I got a bunch of Rips from TP so I'll be doing my first run with them (starting out low and slowly increasing) and I'm sure they'll make me a believer.
I really don't know what Jefe's agenda is, or care, i just commented on the 'tone' of his post. I do know i believe the serum tests, so he can argue with that all he wants... Personally, i prefer researching peps, so i have no horse in this race, and i think exogenous GH is over rated, but that's my opinion.
IM trying peps and GH this time.. hell one of them has to work lol.
But I doubt he has an agenda just giving his side of the story and sticking with it. I don't see him pitching another brand like he has motive talking bad about rips or all generics for that matter..
He pushes saizen and omnitrope(both high quality pharm gh). Of course he doesn't have an agenda. I keep telling you guys to go get serum tests and igf tests done which will determine if what you are running is legit gh. Doesn't matter if it's generic or pharm grade, if both tests come back high, then it's REAL GH.
what about some of these serum tests I see coming back at 60-90s people post?? To me that is a little to high and sets off red flags.. Why would generic come back 3 times higher then Pharma...
Then you see idiots posting.. Good results man I Love ****** they are so much stronger then pharma etc.
IM on generics now as well but I wonder if these china man have tricks up their sleeves. China in general scams their own people, hell they put melanin in baby formula because in tests it showed as protein. Then when babies started getting sick and dying further tests showed what was really going on ,
From what iv read those people would be hyperresponders, and would have abnormally high results on all hgh, regardless if its usa pharm grade or china blue tropins
There are several solid members over there but the ring leader of that clown circus will ban you if you defend generics or your opinion differs from theirs. They can't back up anything they say and just like to parrot pure conjecture.I know exactly which vets you are talking about in regards to ALL Chinese generics being fake... I have to say reading their posts it's scary.. Especially when they have 30k post and been in this game a long time.
There are several solid members over there but the ring leader of that clown circus will ban you if you defend generics or your opinion differs from theirs. They can't back up anything they say and just like to parrot pure conjecture.
Post anything that differs from the company line and you'll be banned. Just look what happened on the last Riptropin thread.
Although I don't use them anymore I've always defended Rips as affordable gh that works for a lot of users.
what about some of these serum tests I see coming back at 60-90s people post?? To me that is a little to high and sets off red flags.. Why would generic come back 3 times higher then Pharma...
Then you see idiots posting.. Good results man I Love ****** they are so much stronger then pharma etc.
IM on generics now as well but I wonder if these china man have tricks up their sleeves. China in general scams their own people, hell they put melanin in baby formula because in tests it showed as protein. Then when babies started getting sick and dying further tests showed what was really going on ,
Like gottagetit said, those people that score that high on any gh whether pharm grade or generic are hyper responders. As I have said before, the only way to know for sure if what you have is legit, is serum and igf test and anything else is guess work. I have never ever claimed that generics are stronger than pharm period. The people that claim that are ignorant. However, I get pissed when people talk shit about generics w/o having any facts to back it up and don't have blood work to back it either because I actually have done labs on both and very few generics have similar numbers for both serum and igf numbers compared to their pharm grade counterparts. They just talk shit out their ass based on what they think they see/feel.
Like gottagetit said, those people that score that high on any gh whether pharm grade or generic are hyper responders. As I have said before, the only way to know for sure if what you have is legit, is serum and igf test and anything else is guess work. I have never ever claimed that generics are stronger than pharm period. The people that claim that are ignorant. However, I get pissed when people talk shit about generics w/o having any facts to back it up and don't have blood work to back it either because I actually have done labs on both and very few generics have similar numbers for both serum and igf numbers compared to their pharm grade counterparts. They just talk shit out their ass based on what they think they see/feel.
Hey JM,
I mentioned on another board that Serum and IGF bloods are whats needed to prove legitimacy..
I got in reply, that they can simply put IGF peps in the vial which have a longer half life and would most certainly give back higher IGF bloods..
So can one basically put some sort of pep in the vials that would give a higher IGF lvl on bloods?
thanks for your help...
As far as the basic sides my wife is only on 50/50 cjc and ghrp6 and has the exact same sides as growth.. holding mass water, hands numb etc.. Now I know that those bloods would drop dramatically at 3.5 hours post injection , just making a general statement for those that feel they don't need to get bloods done to confirm their growth simply from feeling secure off their sides,.
Yes, blood work must show both significant rise in serum and igf levels to prove it's real gh. Cjc and ghrp will raise both serum and igf levels, but not to the extent that 10ius of legit gh does. Very dependent on the individual, as not everyone pulses the same amount of endogenous gh from peps, but serum levels would not exceed 10 for most people which is a generous number. Igf levels should only be in the 300's if even that for peps unless your liver produces a high amount of igf to begin with, then it could be slightly higher. Of course this is based off of labs I have seen of members here and of my friends who have run cjc/ghrp combo.
The reason so many people defend rips on here is because they are sponsors and TOLD to. I have been on rips 12+ months and i can honestly say i havent noticed any change. I didn't want to admit it at first because its a lot of money, but its true. This is the only board which say good things about rips, coincidence? Look at people with 30k+ posts, they are veterans who generally know what they are talking about, and they will tell you 99% of chinese hgh is crap! I on the other hand dont have the time to post everyday but i have been training religiously for 7 years and my diet and training are spot on. AND i was using 10iu EOD during this past year.
I have used hygetropin with good success but its hard to get hold of these days. I wish i could afford pharma but its not possible at the mo. Just my opinion.