I get the interest in PED discussion but really it's disappointing - there should be a lot more interest in training / diet / recovery. Almost nobody's going to reach this level without pushing PEDs - particularly GH and insulin - but if you think you're going to take what I take and get remotely similar results you're wrong simply due to genetic variance. If you think you're going to take what I take, keep your training / diet / recovery the same, and get similar results you're wrong.
You need PEDs to reach this level but they're the smallest factor. I guarantee 99% of this board couldn't hang with me at the gym or at the kitchen table - those are the key factors in getting this big. When I posted a diet thread last year on how to eat 7,000+ calories per day guys were saying that wasn't something you could do long-term - wrong, it is something you can do long-term if you're determined, and it's why I'm a big as I am and they're always struggling to make gains.
Like
@Big A famously said -
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/so-sick-of-this-heres-the-truth.53353/ - when your training, diet, recovery, and health are perfectly dialed in, then it becomes all about how much you take. But 99% of guys will never dial those things in, particularly to the point where they're perfect for years like I've done. That's the biggest reason I've built the physique I have.
All that said, I'll give an outline of what I use for growing. The base is:
- Test E and P
- Deca
- Mast P (this is my first year using masteron while growing, wanted to try it since it's become a popular approach)
I rotate anabolics roughly every 8 weeks. This year it's been:
- NPP
- Trestolone (right now)
- Tren (next)
Testosterone is what I run the highest by far - everything else would be considered standard dosages. I do daily injections of everything.
I also rotate injectable orals like dianabol, anadrol, and superdrol.
I rarely use traditional orals - I'll do one run when I'm deep in a diet and sometimes when starting a growth phase (didn't this year, no need given my progress). When growing I prefer to keep them as a tool to use when strength and / or weight gain slows down.
If I hit a point where my weigh just won't go up then sometimes I drop everything down to reduce allostatic load and this gets progress moving again. For example, last November my morning weight was stuck at the high 260s / low 270s. I started cutting doses like I always do in November and by January I was at 280 in the morning.