1st Real Cycle

[ConanX]

Hello,

I'm almost 3 weeks into my first real cycle. 200mg Test E (it has 50mg Test Prop in it as well) and 200mg of Deca every week. I plan on going for 12 weeks.

Before this, I was really debating on using anything at all but I was able to get a hold of some Anavar tabs, so reading about how safe it seemed I tried it out, only 25mg a day for 5 weeks. I saw some very solid gains with that and my physique changed. I also have used ECA and that worked wonders on me.

But this is my first true cycle and I hope that this, combined with a very solid diet and workout regiment, I can see some excellent gains. I just hope that I can keep the majority of them after I get off. I also worry about PCT. I don't know much on it, though I research every day. I am scared of gyno, as well as having my natural testosterone production shut down after the cycle.

So yes, it's my 3rd week and I know that it is supposed to take around 5weeks to kick in but I already seem to have a great pump and I put on some size, but I think this is due to the slight calorie increase.

These forums are great and although I am a beginner, I hope to learn and contribue as much as possible. Thank you.

 

[Mash1]

Hello,

I'm almost 3 weeks into my first real cycle. 200mg Test E (it has 50mg Test Prop in it as well) and 200mg of Deca every week. I plan on going for 12 weeks.

Before this, I was really debating on using anything at all but I was able to get a hold of some Anavar tabs, so reading about how safe it seemed I tried it out, only 25mg a day for 5 weeks. I saw some very solid gains with that and my physique changed. I also have used ECA and that worked wonders on me.

But this is my first true cycle and I hope that this, combined with a very solid diet and workout regiment, I can see some excellent gains. I just hope that I can keep the majority of them after I get off. I also worry about PCT. I don't know much on it, though I research every day. I am scared of gyno, as well as having my natural testosterone production shut down after the cycle.

So yes, it's my 3rd week and I know that it is supposed to take around 5weeks to kick in but I already seem to have a great pump and I put on some size, but I think this is due to the slight calorie increase.

These forums are great and although I am a beginner, I hope to learn and contribue as much as possible. Thank you.

Excited about first cycle so much you post it up for us? Haha, good luck man, everybody gets all excited their first time on sauce.

 

[drob29]

Hello,

I'm almost 3 weeks into my first real cycle. 200mg Test E (it has 50mg Test Prop in it as well) and 200mg of Deca every week. I plan on going for 12 weeks.

Before this, I was really debating on using anything at all but I was able to get a hold of some Anavar tabs, so reading about how safe it seemed I tried it out, only 25mg a day for 5 weeks. I saw some very solid gains with that and my physique changed. I also have used ECA and that worked wonders on me.

But this is my first true cycle and I hope that this, combined with a very solid diet and workout regiment, I can see some excellent gains. I just hope that I can keep the majority of them after I get off. I also worry about PCT. I don't know much on it, though I research every day. I am scared of gyno, as well as having my natural testosterone production shut down after the cycle.

So yes, it's my 3rd week and I know that it is supposed to take around 5weeks to kick in but I already seem to have a great pump and I put on some size, but I think this is due to the slight calorie increase.

These forums are great and although I am a beginner, I hope to learn and contribue as much as possible. Thank you.

welcome to the board.

So can you tell us a little more about yourself please?

age
ht
wt
lift histrory
diet
goals

Also you may want to reconsider stopping the deca and test at the same time, there is a 1/2 life issue there that needs a closer look (test needs to go longer than deca). Also can we assume you do not have PCT yet? if so that could be a problem if by the end of your cycle your PCT has not arrived.

I can relate to being excited about the first cycle. Post up and we can help make sure your good to go.

 

[rippedout]

you should run test 2 weeks longer than the deca. you should also run hcg.

200 mgs of deca per week is only going to lubricate your joints.
200 mgs of test per week is hrt doseage.

i would run:

1-12 600mgs test
1-10 400mgs deca
2-12 500iu hcg

all split into two pins per week

 

[drob29]

you should run test 2 weeks longer than the deca. you should also run hcg.

200 mgs of deca per week is only going to lubricate your joints.
200 mgs of test per week is hrt doseage.

i would run:

1-12 600mgs test
1-10 400mgs deca
2-12 500iu hcg

all split into two pins per week

this is HORRIBLE advice.

How could you possibly recommend doseage (which is against the rules by the way....read them) without any stats?

What if he is 17 yo, 5 ft 7 135 lbs, with no lift experience and wants to be HUGE? Or he is 35, 5 ft 10, 275 lbs, 44 inch waist, wants to get back in shape, has not worked out for 7 years?

Would you post the same advice?

If your going to post cycle advice here, and critique others cycles, you should have a grip on some basic, fundamental concepts of AAS use. That includes having some knowledge of a members stats.

Smarten up.

 

[ConanX]

Sorry if the grammar is off, this is being done from my cell phopne...

Hey guys, thanks for the warm welcome!

I'm 20 years old. . I've been weight lifting since I was 15, though it has been on and off. I got much more serious as soon as I turned 20 and I've been extremely strict with the diet and workout for about 6 months. But like I said, I've been lifting for much longer before that. 6'0 and at around 10% bodyfat I was 183lbs. Right now I am at 187.5 lbs. I think this weight gain is mostly due to me eating more but maybe the stuff helped a little.

I wanted to go very light for my first cycle. I basically just want to get some solid lean mass gains. As far as PCT, my friend has a perscription for HCG. He told me to start it around week 6. What do you guys think about that? And are my dosages really too low to see any good gains? Like I said, I wanted to have a light cycle and since I saw such GREAT results with just 25mg of Anavar a day, I figured this cycle should also work out very well for mem

 

[rippedout]

this is HORRIBLE advice.

How could you possibly recommend doseage (which is against the rules by the way....read them) without any stats?

What if he is 17 yo, 5 ft 7 135 lbs, with no lift experience and wants to be HUGE? Or he is 35, 5 ft 10, 275 lbs, 44 inch waist, wants to get back in shape, has not worked out for 7 years?

Would you post the same advice?

If your going to post cycle advice here, and critique others cycles, you should have a grip on some basic, fundamental concepts of AAS use. That includes having some knowledge of a members stats.

Smarten up.

i posted what i would run...sorry if posting doseages are against the rules. i will freshen up on the rules.

 

[Quad-smack]

IMO you are too young. Too late to get your gear cherry back though.
I am not a fan of Deca. It can cause HTPA shutdown, can cause gyno in some and for many the gains are mostly from fluid retention that you will just piss away once its over. You might consider stopping one compound and continue the one that supplements your natural levels. Read Emeric's thread: http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39887
I would focus more on nutrition, training & recovery.

 

[drob29]

Sorry if the grammar is off, this is being done from my cell phopne...

Hey guys, thanks for the warm welcome!

I'm 20 years old. . I've been weight lifting since I was 15, though it has been on and off. I got much more serious as soon as I turned 20 and I've been extremely strict with the diet and workout for about 6 months. But like I said, I've been lifting for much longer before that. 6'0 and at around 10% bodyfat I was 183lbs. Right now I am at 187.5 lbs. I think this weight gain is mostly due to me eating more but maybe the stuff helped a little.

I wanted to go very light for my first cycle. I basically just want to get some solid lean mass gains. As far as PCT, my friend has a perscription for HCG. He told me to start it around week 6. What do you guys think about that? And are my dosages really too low to see any good gains? Like I said, I wanted to have a light cycle and since I saw such GREAT results with just 25mg of Anavar a day, I figured this cycle should also work out very well for mem

IMO you should come off cycle immediatley. Your too young, and you have much more natural growth to do before you touch and AAS. Even if you were 30 YO I would tell you the same thing. at 6 ft 185 your tall and skinny.

Assuming you stay on cycle, you need to eat like a PIG and not worry about adding extra fat, you can rip it off when your done with your cycle. remember 100% gains = 60% diet/rest + 25% workout + 15% AAS.
And PCT: HCG should NEVER be used in PCT as it inhibits natural test production. Look at a clomid/nolvadex combo.

i posted what i would run...sorry if posting doseages are against the rules. i will freshen up on the rules.

no problem ripped.

 

[marooned]

Welcome to the board! You should have waited to start until you did the research you need to do and have a good idea of the risks vs reward for what you are doing. Don't make the mistake of listening to the local "semi-pro" at the gym. Usually relying on their advice will get you some bad advice from someone who doesn't have the level of knowledge you will find right here on this board. Educate yourself, and fast.

Your dosages are resonable and you should grow off that for first cycle if you have your diet right. I have found that all the supps, gear, and workouts all put together add up to about 15% of this equation. The other 85% is DIET. Think about that for second. All the other stuff that you spend your time on adds up to 15% and that will never overpower the 85% that is your regular food and water intake. For the record the Test and Deca will shut you down. At this point your natural test production is mostly if not all shut down. That's the risk vs reward thing I was talking about. Gyno is a real side that you should research and watch out for also. If your nips are itchy that is the start of Gyno and you will need to start some treatment quickly. Maybe you won't get any sides but since it's your first cycle and you don't know what to look for by the time you know it may be serious. Usually one compound for a first cycle is best. Then you know what to watch for and know what to stop if need be.

My best advice for you now is to keep learning. Sounds like you really need to start searching for some PCT info. That info is here and I am sure you can find it. Other best advice right now is EAT! Whatever your are eating right now it is probaly not enough or at least not often enough. You can take all the gear you want and if you don't have enough nutrients it will money down the drain and may cost you muscle when you come off and can't keep your size for lack of nutrition. DOn't worry about BF% going up a little you will address that after you come off and go through PCT and things are back to normal. LIke everything else that is controled through DIET not through gear or lifting. Most likely you could take whatever you are eating in a day and double it and still be in good shape for gaining size. Best of luck!

marooned

 

[tkav1980]

drop the deca.
get clomid/nolva for pct
add 2000+ calories to whatever your eating now BUT get half that from protien, the rest from healthy fats and carbs.
of you notice alittle extra bodyfat along the way, add cardio.
learn how to train for maximum growth.

these things should have all been learned before touching a steroid. now its time for damage control. keep updating this thread with stats throughout your cycle and well try to help you to get the most out of it SAFELY! when this cycle is done dont touch it again until your 30 or 230lbs and under 10% bodyfat naturally. at 6 feet i dont think that unrealistic.

 

[Mash1]

drop the deca.
get clomid/nolva for pct
add 2000+ calories to whatever your eating now BUT get half that from protien, the rest from healthy fats and carbs.
of you notice alittle extra bodyfat along the way, add cardio.
learn how to train for maximum growth.

these things should have all been learned before touching a steroid. now its time for damage control. keep updating this thread with stats throughout your cycle and well try to help you to get the most out of it SAFELY! when this cycle is done dont touch it again until your 30 or 230lbs and under 10% bodyfat naturally. at 6 feet i dont think that unrealistic.

Thats going a bit overboard...I'm almost 6 feet and there is NO WAY IN HELL that I can touch 230 lbs at 9% body fat without AAS.

 

[sanga]

Sorry if the grammar is off, this is being done from my cell phopne...

Hey guys, thanks for the warm welcome!

I'm 20 years old. . I've been weight lifting since I was 15, though it has been on and off. I got much more serious as soon as I turned 20 and I've been extremely strict with the diet and workout for about 6 months. But like I said, I've been lifting for much longer before that. 6'0 and at around 10% bodyfat I was 183lbs. Right now I am at 187.5 lbs. I think this weight gain is mostly due to me eating more but maybe the stuff helped a little.

I wanted to go very light for my first cycle. I basically just want to get some solid lean mass gains. As far as PCT, my friend has a perscription for HCG. He told me to start it around week 6. What do you guys think about that? And are my dosages really too low to see any good gains? Like I said, I wanted to have a light cycle and since I saw such GREAT results with just 25mg of Anavar a day, I figured this cycle should also work out very well for mem

So you have a solid 6 months training behind you, you weigh 187lb?

My advice is search a whole lot more and learn all you can about gear and especially PCT then at the same time get your diet right and get gaining.

I reckon you have a long way to go before you need need to use any gear, gear isn`t a miracle worker, everyone wants to get on the gear but you`d be far more advanced size wise if you got your diet down and was cocnsistantly eating 6-8 meals day in day out.

I`m fairly new to this forum but even I know there is a shit load of good info on here by some big people that will give you all you need to know.

When you are ready to take gear then I`d suggest a form of test and IMO and experience that would be long acting and would be a low as dose as you could get away with to gain, PCT is most important, most people neglect it or start thinking about it when they decide to come off after they have been on for 6+ months, hardly surprising they can`t get the horn or perform is it.

Learn all you can for the next 6 months and put the lot into practice until the gains stop, then tweek them again and go again and again and again, eventually you will want to try the gear but that could be 3-5 years away.

Food is where its at mate, seriously.

All the best to you.

 

[ConanX]

Thank you all for your advice! I truly value what was said.

I am definitely going to research and obtain some proper PCT because the last thing I want are side affects.

I do eat 6 meals a day with 40 grams of protein each serving along with carbs in that serving.

I will keep this thread updated, thanks a lot guys!

 

[pesty4077]

I am sorry, but dude you should have waited to do any AAS, you are only 20years old! I am correct, you just started to serious train? Are you using AAS as a crutch? Who are you listening to? Your problem is your training and Diet, you are not eating enough protein to really grow, Absolute minimum is 1 1/2grams per pound, but more like 2g per pound and the same amount of carbs. I started to weight train at the same age as you, and weighed 155, I went up to 210 naturally. If you are ever going to last in this sport, you better pace yourself and listen to QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS My advice save your AAS money and give it to Phil Hernon, He will get you better results than you on that AAS.

 

[ConanX]

Again, thank you all for your advice.

Update:

My strength has definitely increased, I look much bigger, my weight went up, and I am more vascular.

I will admit that this is largely due to the fact that I changed my diet and that I have been trying different exercises and techniques. But I really do look different and my strength is up.

I also am following your advice on "Eating like a pig." I have more like 7-8 meals now a days with AT LEAST 40 grams of protein, plus plenty of carbs in each meal.

I am going to add some light cardio to my regiment, as I want to try and stay as relatively lean as possibly while consuming all of these extra calories.

 

[tkav1980]

Thats going a bit overboard...I'm almost 6 feet and there is NO WAY IN HELL that I can touch 230 lbs at 9% body fat without AAS.

by the time he gets half way there he will be ready. see where im going with this?

 

[doitright]

I am sorry, but dude you should have waited to do any AAS, you are only 20years old! I am correct, you just started to serious train? Are you using AAS as a crutch? Who are you listening to? Your problem is your training and Diet, you are not eating enough protein to really grow, Absolute minimum is 1 1/2grams per pound, but more like 2g per pound and the same amount of carbs. I started to weight train at the same age as you, and weighed 155, I went up to 210 naturally. If you are ever going to last in this sport, you better pace yourself and listen to QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS My advice save your AAS money and give it to Phil Hernon, He will get you better results than you on that AAS.

Is it just me or does it seem more and more kids are jumping in deep water not knowing how to swim first?

 

[Mash1]

by the time he gets half way there he will be ready. see where im going with this?

Haha gotcha!

 

[Mash1]

Is it just me or does it seem more and more kids are jumping in deep water not knowing how to swim first?

Ur telling me man! I had just posted another thread how all my buddies that are 18-20 are on the sauce..running like a gram of test a week and don't have a clue wtf PCT is. It seriously sickens me.