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2007 NJ Gold's Classic Bodybuilding

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i just thought it would be alright to open this thread . if i remember TP4U entered this contest and he looked pretty good . i wish him luck . obviously the pre judging is over . does anybody has already an update on this show or pictures etc... ?

just curious . good luck TP4U . :)

wake
 
i just thought it would be alright to open this thread . if i remember TP4U entered this contest and he looked pretty good . i wish him luck . obviously the pre judging is over . does anybody has already an update on this show or pictures etc... ?

just curious . good luck TP4U . :)

wake
bump..... good luck phil (toopoo :p ) i suspect he will do very well, he's done his homework on this one.. just hope he didn't try anything extreme at the end, if everything goes ok he will kick some butt.
 
my boy mike knowles is down there competing. tried to call him but didnt get him. hes a heavyweight and should be mixing it up for the overall.
 
my boy mike knowles is down there competing. tried to call him but didnt get him. hes a heavyweight and should be mixing it up for the overall.

Yea he took the class. I got talked into doin NOVICE like a dumbass by the promoter...did that (won), was in great condition, started to spill, panicked, downed a bunch of honey, pumped up like mad, had some salt, spilled more.... 25min later... spilled HORRIBLE... looked like SHIT for Open... got 3rd in heavies....feel i COULD have given Knowles a run for the top spot (was told by 3 judges) had i come hard and full...but since i didnt... i think he got the overall pretty easy...
 
Heres prejudging.... they put Knowles right next to me... you can see shape and size... SOME detail... but in person he was clearly harder and drier... which is why he won.....

(give it a while, its being converted by the site)

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that is one SICK shoulder to waist ratio!!!
you looked awesome! ::ction-sm
 
it was hard to see all you guys but you looked great ! what are the plans for the other comp , in two weeks ?
Congratulations :) .

wake
 
it was hard to see all you guys but you looked great ! what are the plans for the other comp , in two weeks ?
Congratulations :) .

wake

Very unhappy about my placing...which i deserved....shouldnt have done Novice, it was pointless. Thats what i get for listening to other people. Still.... im unhappy with the total package i brought due to my own development/balance. No show in 2 weeks, catching this rebound....and bulking, working on needed improvements, taking some time "off" while still training hard, then more improvements. Saw some bodyparts on other competitors that were attainable for myself, but i did not possess due to slacking in offseason. Got some great advice from a knowledgable guy and am going to incorporate alot of shakes into my offseason to insure i have a productive one (i dont slack on training, i slack on diet). He pretty much called me out on my methods (and was right) saying i try to pull a 180 and bulk and cut at the same time for a show, when what i really need is one very productive offseason to build the thickness my body needs.
 
Very unhappy about my placing...which i deserved....shouldnt have done Novice, it was pointless. Thats what i get for listening to other people. Still.... im unhappy with the total package i brought due to my own development/balance. No show in 2 weeks, catching this rebound....and bulking, working on needed improvements, taking some time "off" while still training hard, then more improvements. Saw some bodyparts on other competitors that were attainable for myself, but i did not possess due to slacking in offseason. Got some great advice from a knowledgable guy and am going to incorporate alot of shakes into my offseason to insure i have a productive one (i dont slack on training, i slack on diet). He pretty much called me out on my methods (and was right) saying i try to pull a 180 and bulk and cut at the same time for a show, when what i really need is one very productive offseason to build the thickness my body needs.

Congrats. Not on the placing but on coming to the conclusion that you have not been giving it your all 24/7 365. Good luck with your offseason and stick to it.
 
2POWERFUL4U, YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A NOVICE PHYSIQUE!

I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT YOU LOOKED GOOD, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT. I AM NOT INSULTING YOU.....I AM JUST WONDERING WHY THE PROMOTER TALKED YOU INTO ENTERING AS A NOVICE?

DID HE HAVE ONLY A COUPLE COMPETITORS IN THE NOVICE CLASS OR SOMETHING?

MY SECOND QUESTION IS....DON'T YOU HAVE SOME FRIENDS TO HANG WITH THAT WILL MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GET TALKED INTO SHIT LIKE THAT? LOL

GOOD JOB ON YOUR COMPETITION, REGARDLESS. DON'T SWEAT THIS TOO MUCH....YOU ARE A YOUNG GUY WILL ALL SORTS OF TIME TO BRING WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF BRINGING TO A SHOW. I LIKE YOUR PHYSIQUE...BROAD SHOULDERS AND A SMALL WAIST.
 
By the way don't sweat making what you consider a bad decision at the last moment. A lot of us have made similar mistakes. One day I will post up my three weeks out pics and my day of pics from the Emerald last year to show how bad you can throw off your physique in a couple of days. BBing is not about who makes the fewest mistakes but rather after making those mistakes NEVER making them again. You have a great physique that will only get better in time.
 
Sounds like you got a good plan.......very few guys can to 2 things at once. I just love your taper .[Honestly ,how big was your waist for the show ,not sucked in?] that alone made you stand way out [along with your width]. You are so damm broad that I told you it is going to take 225- 232 [pealed]to really fill you out in to be a top flight guy . Your later 20s will be kind to you ,if you are still with the sport. So hang in there .You should be very proud of yourself. You looked great , have nice shape , and did well.

Side note.Some will not agree with this . But I think for most guys to really fiil out .You have to really have to force your body to grow .If you want to be to 225 on stage or so you are going to need to be 275- 280 lbs down the line during your off season[probably 2-3 yrs from now] . Look at Ronnie , Trey Brewer , Jay , Tom Prince ,Phil, Priest ,ect[even km2000 did it to first get his size].......they all went to 50 -60 lbs over there projected weight. Dante ,even Greg Zulak advised this for years . If you want to be a 225lber on stage , then plan on being 275- 280 . Yeah is going to suck .You look thick and bloated . The fat kills your shape .But fat can and will be lost with hard work and smart dieting . IMO you need to take your time maybe a year or two and get up to that weight . Hold it for at least 6 months to a year and try to get harder while doing so . Then pick a show and destroy it . Afer you get the right size for your frame [have maxed out your size pontential you will know this as your natural flow begins to be interupted and not from being off season either,but from too much muscle]. Then just stay lean year round [work on health and good blood work].It is much healthier and easier to get into shape without a doubt. But from what I have seen ,to really push the evelope ........pick your desired contest weight of the future .And plan adding 50 -60 lbs pounds of good off season weight and train to hold that . [and not just slop .....but good off season nutrition ,heavy basic training , using progessive resistance, learning about rest and recovery .......off setting the metabolism with some cardio and nutritional varriences ] but you have been staying lean at 220 - 230 for a couple of yrs........you need to force you body to grow ,because our bodies don't want to get bigger especially at your level[ and drugs aren't the answer]........depending on what you weighed [I am thinking low 200s ,you should have been low to mid 190s ] You just need to realize you have the perfect x frame ,and that it just needs to fill out..............take a couple of years and force your body to grow [ and no ,it is more a battle of food and training ,than drugs ....I promise] but if you think you are going to keep staying at 220 -230 off season and get to where you need to be you are fooling yourself...........look you are a good loooking kid, have the shape , you just need to pay your dues and put on the size......and yes ,it isn't that healthy, and no ,you wont look that great[you will know if your girl really loves you....lol]........but it is nessary for a young guy that wants to jump up to the national level [ask peter putnum.......he used to walk around at shows at 240 all the time , when he competes in the low 190s........now he can stay lean and market himself year round because he already added the size ] Look at any pro .......very few ever get bigger after they turn pro or become national level guys.....why ?Because they don't keep pushing their bodies off season.........mainly for business reasons ,some for ego /chicks, and some smart guys for health[ once you close to your genetic max ......no need to ever not be lean anyway] But look at the guys in the past that did grow as pros .Dorian 310 off season /265 of stage , ronnie 320 -330 off season ,close to 300 on stage , nasser 330 /285 on stage........if you want to grow you have to push and not be afraid of what it looks like.....then slowly pull it in [shit , Trey Brewer is going to diet 25 weeks for the jrs this yr] Then like I said , you will have maxed out your genetic limits for the most part anyway , then you can just stay lean and try to make small improvements here and there . And strive to master conditioning.........But time and time again for a guy at your level that wants to step up. This is what is takes IMO.........And holy fuck Phil.........think how freaking strong you would be at a conditioned off season 275 ? My god , you would get an MD contract based on that alone ....lol..........Good luck on where you go on this .....you should be proud .....I think you looked great[ oh yeah ,You used to work for Richie , think about this.......as a teen he went up to 260 and competed at a few shows prior to nationals at like 211 .......but he hated dieting so hard ........so he stayed lean after that ......but let me ask you this .......did he ever get much bigger afterwards........nope !!!......i rest my case......you have to force you body to a get bigger and it isnt fun ,and doesn't look pretty,so most don't do it.... it isn't always that attractive or that healthy ......but there is no need to ever do this longer than 2-3 yrs max , because if you are doing right you will have met most of your genetic limits any way as far size goes......lean stay lean and helthy forever but all guys striving for to max out their geneitcs need to go this route imo]
 
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Sounds like you got a good plan.......very few guys can to 2 things at once. I just like you taper .[Honestly how big was your for the show ,not sucked in?] that alone made you stand way out . You are so damm broad that I told you it is going to take 225- 232 [pealed]to really fill you out in to be a top flight guy . your later 20s will be kind to you if you still with the sport. So hang in there .you should be proud . You looked great , have nice shape , and did well.

Side note.Some will not agree with this . But I think for most guys to really fiil out .You have to really you body to grow .If you want to be to 225 on stage or so you are going to need to be 275- 280 lbs down the line during your off season . Look at Ronnie , Trey Brewer , Jay , Tom Prince ,Phil, priest ,ect[even km2000 did it to first get his size].......they all went to 50 -60 lbs over there projected weight. Dante even Greg Zulak advised this for years . If you want to be a 225lber , then plan on being 275- 280 . Yeah is going to suck .You look thick and bloated . The fat kills your shape .But fat can a will be lost with hard work . IMO you need to take your time maybe a year or two and get up to that weight . Hold it for at least 6 months and try to get harder while doing so . The pick a show and destroy it . Afer you get the right size for your frame . Then stay lean year round .It is much healthier and easier to get into shape without a doubt. But from what I have seen to really push it the evelope ........pick your desired contest weight off the future .And plan adding 50 -60 lb spounds of good off season weight and train to hold that . [and not just slop .....but good off season nutrition ,heavy basic training , using progessive resistance, learning about rest and recovery .......off setting the metabolism with some cardio and nutritional varriences ] but you have been staying lean at 220 - 230 for a couple of yrs........you need to force you body to grow ,because our bodies don't want to ........depending on what you weighed [I am thinking low 200s you should have been low to mid 190s ] You just need to realize you have the perfect x frame ,it just needs to fill out..............take a couple of years and force your body to grow [ and no ,it more a battle of food and training ,than drugs ....I promise] but if you think you are going to keep staying at 220 -230 off season and get to where you need to be you are fooling yourself...........look you are a good loooking kid, have the shape , you just need to pay your dues and put on the size......and yes ,it isn't that healthy and no you wont look that great........but it is nessary for a younf guy that wants to jump up to the national level [ask peter putnum.......he used to walk around at shows at 240 all the time , when he competes in the low 190s........now he can stay lean and market himself year round because he already added the size ] Look at any pro .......very few ever get bigger after they turn pro or become national level guys.....why > they don't keep pushing their bodies off season.........mainly for business reasons ,some for ego /chicks, and some smart guys for health[ once you close to your genetic max ......no need to ever not be lean anyway] But look at the guys in the past that did grow as pros .Dorian 310 off season /265 of stage , ronnie 320 -330 off season ,close to 300 on stage , nasser 330 /285 on stage........if you want to grow you have to push and not be afraid of what it looks like.....then slowly pull it in [shit , Trey Brewer is going to diet 25 weeks for the jrs this yr] Then like I said , you will have maxed out your genetic limits for the most part anyway , then you can just stay lean and try to make small improvements here and there . And strive to master conditioning.........By time and time again for a guy you level that wants to step up. This is what is takes IMO.........And holy fuck Phil.........think how freaking strong you would be at a reasonally conditioned off season 275 ? My god , you would get an MD contract based on that ....lol..........Good luck on where you go on this you should be proud .....I think you looked great[ oh yeah ,You used to work for Richie , think about this.......as a teen he went up to 260 and competed at a few shows prior to nationals at like 211 .......but he hated dieting so hard ........so he stayed lean after that ......but let me ask you this .......did he ever get much bigger after wards........nope !!!......i rest my case......you have to force you body to a get bigger and it isnt fun so most don't do it.....plus it isn't always that attractive or that healthy ......but there is no need to ever do this longer than 2-3 yrs max , because if you are doing right you will have met most of your genetic limits any way as far size goes......lean stay lean and helthy forever]

Your words are always appreciated my good friend. Your posts are always sincere and you take the time to put your heart into what you write, and i thank you for that.

You are 100% correct. No more of this... trying to add another 1-2lbs with 4 weeks left to the show making that little bit of last improvements to make up for my slacked offseason. I have some work to do, and i know what i need to do. I was up all night and this morning mapping out a nutritional plan that is "fool proof" in a way, for myself, as to insure i get the diet end of it right. That is ALWAYS the hardest part for me. In the past it was so easy to have a pasta dinner and say eh forget the protein, or go to TBell n convince myself..."theres meat in here, i gotta be getting protein", or going to mcdonalds and telling myself "its not real meat, but if i eat 5 burgers it SHOULD be the same protein as eating a real burger". BULLSHIT. First thing im doing is packing a cooler to be kept in my car with water bottles, MCT/Flax Powder, and protein powder, and 2 jars Natty PB. No excuse to miss a meal now. If i want tbell or mcdonalds, il have a big shake FIRST. That should insure right there that i am getting quality protein in at all times no matter where i am. Breakfast is not hard, i can nail that every day. Im buying a shitload of tuna and just adding a can or two to whatever im eating that i can (throw a can in pasta, youl never taste it, like a meat sauce) or in cup of noodles, or in soup, whatever. Get the protein in.

Now as far as speaking to the judges, i was told first off my sweep is decent, but NOT to match my width. Throws off my balance. Pretty much #1 priority is im going to need a big sweep to match my width. Im also going to need chest and back THICKNESS. Always had alot of detail and width, but that detail will look 10x better bulging with thickness. Calves next. 17 inch calves dont work with my fat knees lol. Believe it or not, hams are not really an issue for me, they just tend to fall off the last 4-5 weeks when i add cardio, maybe because its too high intensity or my calories are too low. Im just going to blow them the fuck up so they have room to shrink a little haha.

Now i duno about 270..... my goal is 255 by summer. Lets see what i can do..... gonna do my best to stay motivated... but for now... im riding this rebound hard....
 
Tp, I can relate Brotha, but dude, VV. showed me your pics at like a week out and I couldn't believe it was you. Your should/waist is just nasty! You've made some massive gains, now focus harder.
 
Congrats on the show.
first off anyone that competes and goes through the sacrifice of dieting and training and cardio under precontest conditions deserves props.
Second a lot of Iabadman's post rings true.
True muscle mass and bodyweight changes takes a long time. You have to reach a set point and then stay there for a while. (DC always preaches this and he is right. I have seen it in myself and many others)
Third you just need to buckle down and be consistent like you said above.
Find a training program diet and ergogenic schedule and stick with it with and make sure to have cycling periods where you do some active rest and rebuild and then go again. You'd be amazed at your gains. you have a nuclear metabolism so you will need to base your core around food beef and carbs and EFA's and lots of it. then add in your shakes.
4-6 solid meals and 3-5 shakes ED 24 hr feedings and anabolism.

Basic ergogenic compounds too.

Good work again on the show.
 
yeah TP ,

i believe you have your mind set , now , and you will get where you want to be . you made mistakes , which are good , because you are learning from them . the other thing is, that i give you mad props for , that you are doing your damn own thing . yes , you are doing your own research . this will get you very far , i , myself speak from self experience . i always used to look after others and was sick and tired of looking the same , being told the same , hearing about the same training program etc. etc.. just BULLSHIT all the time , day in and day out . i started doing my own thing and boom ,i ended up where i wanted to be . i did not have to look after people anymore , instead they were looking after me , ha ha ha LOL :D .

follow your mind . you are very smart and keep progressively doing what you are doing . i am always on the boards . if you want to chat or else , just pm me , BRO . you know me by now , i am into this whole researching thing as well . it is interesting and i don't care if people make fun of pwo shake timing etc... . i do believe that it is important , but hey , i don't wanna get there now , LOL .
see ,i was prepping down for a photo shooting , which was today . i was prepping at the same time as you were and it kept me motivated . i just never said anything , LOL . i have learned a lot from it , definitely and i know already where i have to improve and what went good . am i happy with the results ? yes , i am . i could complain about this and that and could even compare myself to pictures from 3 weeks out or 2 weeks out . and yes , some of the older pics looked better , IMO , but my photo shooting was today and that is all what counted. i made mistakes and will learn from them . next time , i won't diet for a photo shoot but it will be for my first show . i take today as another learning experience . i will have to analyze all my pictures within the next few days and then i will throw them out to get critique . i won't even ask for critique on posing because i did not practise posing no was i entering a show , all i need to know is about my condition and overall body development .

sorry TP4U , for getting off topic :) i got a little excited here :p: . and yes , i am enjoying the rebound . :)

wake
 
Sounds like you got a good plan.......very few guys can to 2 things at once. I just like you taper .[Honestly how big was your for the show ,not sucked in?] that alone made you stand way out . You are so damm broad that I told you it is going to take 225- 232 [pealed]to really fill you out in to be a top flight guy . your later 20s will be kind to you if you still with the sport. So hang in there .you should be proud . You looked great , have nice shape , and did well.

Side note.Some will not agree with this . But I think for most guys to really fiil out .You have to really you body to grow .If you want to be to 225 on stage or so you are going to need to be 275- 280 lbs down the line during your off season . Look at Ronnie , Trey Brewer , Jay , Tom Prince ,Phil, priest ,ect[even km2000 did it to first get his size].......they all went to 50 -60 lbs over there projected weight. Dante even Greg Zulak advised this for years . If you want to be a 225lber , then plan on being 275- 280 . Yeah is going to suck .You look thick and bloated . The fat kills your shape .But fat can a will be lost with hard work . IMO you need to take your time maybe a year or two and get up to that weight . Hold it for at least 6 months and try to get harder while doing so . The pick a show and destroy it . Afer you get the right size for your frame . Then stay lean year round .It is much healthier and easier to get into shape without a doubt. But from what I have seen to really push it the evelope ........pick your desired contest weight off the future .And plan adding 50 -60 lb spounds of good off season weight and train to hold that . [and not just slop .....but good off season nutrition ,heavy basic training , using progessive resistance, learning about rest and recovery .......off setting the metabolism with some cardio and nutritional varriences ] but you have been staying lean at 220 - 230 for a couple of yrs........you need to force you body to grow ,because our bodies don't want to ........depending on what you weighed [I am thinking low 200s you should have been low to mid 190s ] You just need to realize you have the perfect x frame ,it just needs to fill out..............take a couple of years and force your body to grow [ and no ,it more a battle of food and training ,than drugs ....I promise] but if you think you are going to keep staying at 220 -230 off season and get to where you need to be you are fooling yourself...........look you are a good loooking kid, have the shape , you just need to pay your dues and put on the size......and yes ,it isn't that healthy and no you wont look that great........but it is nessary for a younf guy that wants to jump up to the national level [ask peter putnum.......he used to walk around at shows at 240 all the time , when he competes in the low 190s........now he can stay lean and market himself year round because he already added the size ] Look at any pro .......very few ever get bigger after they turn pro or become national level guys.....why > they don't keep pushing their bodies off season.........mainly for business reasons ,some for ego /chicks, and some smart guys for health[ once you close to your genetic max ......no need to ever not be lean anyway] But look at the guys in the past that did grow as pros .Dorian 310 off season /265 of stage , ronnie 320 -330 off season ,close to 300 on stage , nasser 330 /285 on stage........if you want to grow you have to push and not be afraid of what it looks like.....then slowly pull it in [shit , Trey Brewer is going to diet 25 weeks for the jrs this yr] Then like I said , you will have maxed out your genetic limits for the most part anyway , then you can just stay lean and try to make small improvements here and there . And strive to master conditioning.........By time and time again for a guy you level that wants to step up. This is what is takes IMO.........And holy fuck Phil.........think how freaking strong you would be at a reasonally conditioned off season 275 ? My god , you would get an MD contract based on that ....lol..........Good luck on where you go on this you should be proud .....I think you looked great[ oh yeah ,You used to work for Richie , think about this.......as a teen he went up to 260 and competed at a few shows prior to nationals at like 211 .......but he hated dieting so hard ........so he stayed lean after that ......but let me ask you this .......did he ever get much bigger after wards........nope !!!......i rest my case......you have to force you body to a get bigger and it isnt fun so most don't do it.....plus it isn't always that attractive or that healthy ......but there is no need to ever do this longer than 2-3 yrs max , because if you are doing right you will have met most of your genetic limits any way as far size goes......lean stay lean and helthy forever]

So, so, absolutely true.
 
I cleaned up my post above......I was doing two things at once and fuck I can't believe I wrote that so poorly .....lol.......oh well , at leasst it is readable now....lol............thanks Phil ........maybe 255 next summer , then show , then 265 the next and show again, then 275 or 280 after that and pay dirt .................You will still be young. At that point you market the crap out of yourself ......stay lean and master conditioning and quit over complicating things or listening to too much advice........you are your own worst enemy because you want to win so bad at everything you do .......you have the heart of the campion ,you just need the confidence of one.............
 

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